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Interesting article. He doesn't really speak of a large hole in the ground and huge chunks of debris flying around though. More of the effects of the heat and sound energy on wildlife which is not quite as obvious.

He raises some good points indeed, not sure why it was flagged at all.



Given what have happened in the past few years, we (as a whole) are less tolerant to alternative ideas.

IMO, we (as a whole) should spend less time spreading ANY information online, use more time to think before speak


> we (as a whole) are less tolerant to alternative ideas.

It’s not just that though, certain topics are lightning rods, and Musk is particularly devisive.


> IMO, we (as a whole) should spend less time spreading ANY information online, use more time to think before speak

When it comes to insensitive tweets vomited out over the internet I totally agree. Though even those of us more considerate can contribute to this by simply not following people who do that. I'm personally not even using Twitter at all and I never did even before Musk took it over. I find the signal/noise ratio way too low there and anything really interesting there makes Hacker News anyway. But anyway that's a tangent.

So, if you read something that really makes you think: "Wow that's really an insensitive hot take", just block the person from your feeds, no matter who they are. Especially if it's not the first time. Makes your life a lot more relaxing. And it's more effective than wishing that haters are gonna stop hating.

However this particular article was thoughtful and came with a lot of explanations, diagrams and source links. It was pretty hard criticism of SpaceX and the FAA but it was not agressive or flaming. To me it seems pretty well thought out and it gives balance to a complex story by showing a side to it I wasn't aware of yet. Not saying the story itself is balanced, but it gives balance to the other media which are overwhelmingly positive and don't cover the ecological side at all.

In other words, this is not the thing that should be cut from being spread online, in my opinion.

The author has clearly written about this before but that doesn't necessarily invalidate them or make them biased. They can also simply be right and been ignored so they keep writing about it. When you 'go fast and break things' it's important to consider the things you are breaking, even if they are not very obvious. One of the questions that comes to my mind is: "Why is this thing even in the middle of protected habitats?"


Lately HN has been critical of dissent against certain ideas, with flagging and mass downvotes used to push certain narratives.


I read that article shortly before it was black-holed. When I was done, I wanted to read some of the discussion around it. When I saw that it was nowhere to be found, I distinctly remember thinking “what the hell is going on with this place?”


I couldn’t find a way to unflag it once it was flagged?

You’d expect it to stay fine if 20 people don’t think it should be flagged and 10 others do.


I think you'll find that Hacker News can be quite hostile to something viewed as "alternative" information, especially if it relates to certain companies. I found the article quite interesting and actually quite informative and evidence driven.


I mean, I thought it was nonsense, and we shouldn’t let the feelings of a bunch of birds stand in the way of the largest rocket launch in history.

But the discussion around it was valuable, and as said before, some of the topics raised by the author were actually issues.


> expect that this comment will be massively downvoted and flagged

Well, yes. It’s in the guidelines: “Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.”

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?


The gist of the comment is not on the downvotes of that particular comment in and of itself, as much as the overall behaviour of HN and using itself as a data-point to support the hypothesis. At the time of writing I made a prediction on the behaviour of HN. I did not make a comment about the votes of a particular comment after the fact, therefore, I am clear.


> gist of the comment is not on the downvotes of that particular comment in and of itself

The gist doesn’t matter. You commented on being downvoted. That’s against the guidelines and gets flagged. Your comment is stronger without the throwaway bit at the end.


Sure, let us remove it and see how bad things go.


There has always been some of that on HN. But the ideas which get downvoted have slowly shifted over time.

I’ve been on HN for well over a decade. I remember it being more startup focused, and more libertarian politically. My perception is that it became a bit woke for awhile, but now the backlash to that sort of thinking has happened in earnest.

We have all the comments going back to the start of the site. I’d love to see an analysis of what HN believes and how it has changed over time as a new generation has joined the community.


When you say 'we have'; you mean access to scrape, right? Or have they already been put in a file format?



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