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    The idea that MS is out to envelope developers by enticing 
    them into a language that requires massive cash outlays or
    *ongoing licensing fees* is not supported by reality.
...

    The only requirement being that they run on a Windows OS
Mhm.

Yes, I suppose you can run some C# on a non-windows machine, but it'll have bugs, break, some libraries won't be supported and there's no tooling support.

...but don't worry, you can happily tell everyone how free and open source it is. That's really important!

(by comparison, have a look at go which actually bothered to make a commitment to supporting various platforms; and don't even start with that whole 'xamarin is awesome' stuff; yes it is, but it in no ways acts as a caveat for microsoft's 'we'll make the spec public, that's good enough right?' behaviour)



Why does this need to be explained to C# people every time we have this conversation? Seriously, every time!

C# runs great on 90% of desktop computers because Microsoft has had a 20 year desktop monopoly. It's is a walled garden until we can easily move code to other platforms and have it perform at the same level.


I'm not sure what your point is.

Mobile apps, web apps and games are where the money is these days; and writing those in C# requires license fees for tools and (in some cases) servers to run the software on.

Are you suggesting that if Microsoft releases this new language they might not require an expensive Visual Studio license so you can use the language plugin, or an expensive server license to run it on?

(To be fair, the python developer tools actually did this, with a forked free version of visual studio, and the typescript compiler is free and open (although the tooling plugin requires VS Pro)) ...so perhaps its not totally out of the question).

I'm not holding my breath, but if they surprise me, I'll happily eat my words.


What would make you happy here?

Would open sourcing the C# compiler be enough? Open sourcing .NET? Providing .NET support and development for Linux?

I'm honestly just curious, not to put you on the spot.


typescript and go are two examples of doing the right thing.

It's not hard, heck Microsoft has even done it before, they just missed the ball with C#.




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