s/put the user in control of that/give it to google instead/

Inherent in any hosted service, which includes most social networks. In a 1:1 comparison to Facebook, that doesn't seem like a relevant issue, though to the extent it matters I think Google has a better reputation than Facebook there. Many people already see Facebook as the company that makes privacy difficult.

I know this is silly but my view is: Fool me twice, shame on me. Facebook was first and I was fooled. I will not be taken in by Google+ or any other similar service.

There is simply no comparison in the manner Google treats your personal data with Facebook's attitude toward it.

At Google, as a dev, gaining access to personally identifiable information (that was hashed, anonymized like crazy, and scrubbed in every possible way to make damn sure there's no way the dev using the data could possibly track down any of the users) required jumping through so many hoops and getting so many different approvals and reviews it felt almost paranoid.

At Facebook, for years, they had a master password that could access all information on anyone's profile. They would just flat-out give this password to every single new hire, even people who weren't working with the data directly.

> There is simply no comparison in the manner Google treats your personal data with Facebook's attitude toward it.

1. As a user, not an employee of the respective corporations, I have no idea about that. Nor do I care, really.

2. Furthermore, that's only the current state of affair, I have neither idea nor control over how it will change over time.

This is something that has always bothered me about how much Facebook talks about their privacy and how much they value your privacy.

A lot of users don't realize that Facebook can 'see' their messages, never mind the rest of the data that they have "privately" shared on the site.

A lot of people don't realize that their mail server provider can read all their email, either; they just think about the things visible in the UI (other people and companies) and not the invisible things (servers).

ie. privacy doesn't mean the same thing to users as the tech crowd describes it

Permission looks interesting. I wonder what the "change who this app can see" button does. will it let you supply fake info to the app?

I doubt it, but I suspect it'll let you say "only let this app see my friends in this circle", or hopefully "don't let this app see any of my friends".