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OK let's look at other measurements: Did Brexit increase UK soft power? Did Brexit increase cultural exchanges? Was Brexit good for the universities? Is the food better and more wholesome? Was racism reduced?


Most of those are in the same class - not things that directly affect many people. Most people in the UK don't know what 'soft power' is (I'm not being condescending; most people don't get into international relations on that level of detail) and its effect is indirect. How many people are directly affected by the quality of universties? - of the population that attends, many are just as happy regardless and aren't concerned with world-class professors and research.

Brexit can be a bad idea and at the same time the GP can have a good point about globalization.


>Is the food better and more wholesome?

Why do people always focus on food in these discussions? It's such a weak argument.


It's not highly consequential, but it's a powerful representation that everyone can understand.

Something the GP omitted: Recently, weren't there supply and inflation issues regarding food?

Of course, many in the land of kidney pies might be just as happy either way. :)


>Recently, weren't there supply and inflation issues regarding food?

From a US perspective, the supply and inflation issues regarding food were primarily focused on eggs, and the problem resolved itself as soon as companies stopped killing chickens due to whatever avian flu was going around. That being said, it might be different for the land of kidney pies, I'm not sure.

Also, I should've been clearer in my original comment. I usually hear the whole "but what about the food?" argument from people who are just upset that deportation of illegals will make their favorite empanada restaurant close, or who argue that the original food of a place is terrible and by introducing migrants of legal or illegal status, then everything (culinary scene & life in general) will magically become better.


Are you trying to be provocative? Talking about "illegals", and expressing contempt for people who care about them. Whatever the legal status and whether or not someone should be in the country, they are people and others legitimately care about them and their rights and freedom. Being deported, espeically in the way it's often conducted, is awful.

Not that it matters for immigration policy, but Britain's food was greatly improved by immigration; it's not magic. In the US it's hard to say because, other than things like corn and bison, etc., all cuisine is from immigrants!


>Talking about "illegals", and expressing contempt for people who care about them.

I do have contempt for illegals and the people in the countries where they're illegally present who care about them and stymie attempts to remove said illegals. It's a gross violation of the social contract and I'm tired of people just hand waving it away like it's no big deal and we just have to accept it.

>Not that it matters for immigration policy, but Britain's food was greatly improved by immigration

I agree with you that it doesn't/shouldn't matter for immigration policy, but at the same time I've heard this argument used by people who brand themselves as pro-immigration as a reason why we can't do anything about illegal immigrants because if they're deported, who will cook their unique cuisine?


Why should anyone listen to you if you have contempt for others? That's the violation of the social contract.

You might see others acting with contempt - the more you see it, the more you need to stand up for something better.




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