> Next people will be claiming that "influencer" or "twitter shit poster" is a real and exhausting job.

Manager who sits upvoting and saying "great post" on LinkedIn all day, seems to be most middle management right now.

Glad you liked it! :clap:

have you seen how hard influencers work? we're talking 100 hour weeks with no weekends. yeah there's no traditional boss and no office to report to, instead there's a influencer house that they go live in, have a bunch of drama at. yeah it's a lot of time spent sitting on the couch poking at a phone. yeah, that's not physically lifting anything but how many jobs do, after sending all the manufacturing jobs to China? One of the most demanding jobs in the world, the President, doesn't lift any rocks or break any backs. It's a job that is just talking with people. That's a job? Just yap and sign papers? I could do that way faster and cheaper.

There's a different question to be made as to whether or not influencer is a good direction for society to strive for as a career, but that's a whole other matter.

This. One summer I worked 80 hour weeks doing construction. I did restaurants when I was young and in university. Coding is a walk in the park compared to actual exhausting work.

Well one is taxing the muscles and the other the brain, can’t both be exhausting, in different ways? Neurotransmitters are not an infinite resource, and there’s trash the brain generates in response to activity that needs clearing out every night.

Physical work exhaustion also means complete mental exhaustion at the same time. You can write code for 10h/day and be completely mentally exhausted but turn off laptop and immediately go enjoy swimming in pool or running or sitting in bar drinking with friends. On the other hand you can move heavy boxes for 10h/day and the only thing that you could do afterwards is lay down half-dead. Certainly not having energy for coding or using computer in any way, or no longer than 10-15 minutes before going to sleep in the chair. At least this is how it works for me personally.

I don’t agree. I’ve been in this situation multiple times where I worked physically until exhaustion. Grabbing the MacBook and doing some coding felt good afterwards.

This is such a BS response, first just because a job isn’t physically exhausting doesn’t mean it’s not challenging and mentally exhausting.

Second, our job in technology is to make ALL jobs easier, that’s what technology is for, not for bullshit manipulative, addictive and extractive consumer crap. The reason any of it even exists is to improve the productivity of humans.

There will always be demanding jobs, they may be demanding physically, or mentally or both, your god damn job is to figure out how to make every one of those jobs easier and LESS physically and mentally challenging.

Pointing out the obvious fact that using different metrics other jobs are harder is neither helpful, valuable nor unique.

I will however agree with you last statement, technologies abuse of people in the consumer app space is anti-social and destructive to the world, those are “jobs” we created with technology. In a sense you might say we are responsible for creating the worst jobs in the world, because as easy and valueless as being an influencer is, it destroys people mentally and turns people into shells of human beings.

So instead of trying to imply that all your fellow engineers are a bunch of whiny soft and weak complainers, you should be both simultaneously grateful that there are jobs that are physically easy and obligated to help those whose jobs still aren’t easy make as much of their jobs as easy as possible.

We live in a society we are ALL dependent on each other, specialization is what allows us to have large complex societies, without it we would all be trying to find food and build shelter. We can ONLY have our jobs because others do theirs, never forget that, that fact creates an OBLIGATION not a comparison.