I've recently been reasonably happy with FSD. But. I paid for it with my car 4 years ago, but I didn't actually get it until ~2 years ago, and even then, it's been fairly sketchy, and only getting a bit less sketchy with recent updates.
I believed their initial claims about what was then simply called "Autopilot", and I'm kind of mad at myself for doing so.
I'm also mad that FSD development has been switched to a new version of the autopilot hardware that my car doesn't have, and apparently can never be upgraded to.
The irony is, I would at least consider a new Tesla, were it not for Elon's antics and interference in US politics. While he's still there, I will never buy another Tesla, and I won't keep this one when the warranty runs out, at the end of this year.
I love the basic autopilot for freeway stuff. It's fanstastic at it and basically NOTHING ELSE. I can't trust it not to do weird stuff any other time. When it does weird stuff on the freeway, it seems way less risky.
I'm just sad Tesla isn't willing to go LIDAR, this is where they're going to lose. They had such a leg up as an early mover and all the advantage is gone. China's starting trials in SF and it's just a matter of time before I buy a Waymo licensed car.
Ive had FSD run stop signs. Like doesnt even recognize them and goes full speed through them its wild. I'm too scared to try it on the freeway because if it phantom breaks going 75mph I imagine it ends in pain, lawsuits, and possibly deaths. It is all so bad and I definitely feel lied to. Tesla told me in their app they dont offer refunds :(
I was doing FSD on a rural new mexico road going 80mph with a pickup hauling a boat behind me, and tailing pretty close. It phantom broke and I had to slam on the accelerator to not get pancaked. One of the scariest moments of my life for sure, glad I was paying attention.
Yeah this is what I mean by "doing weird stuff" on freeways the phantom breaking is pretty crazy, but it's quite manageable once you expect it/experienced it a few times. Usually like once a week/two-weeks on average usage.
The scarier one is in construction zones where the lanes have been moved. During dry it's pretty easy to tell apart, but combine night and wet, it starts doing weird stuff fast. I don't think Lidar would fix this problem.
I saw a Tesla Model 3 do this at an intersection in my city and I wondered if it was FSD or not. Went through going 25-30 without slowing down at a 4-way stop.
I love navigate on autopilot, but every time I try FSD once, something goes close to wrong that I have to take over and say I'll try again next year. Last time I tried it was when it was updated a month ago (I had a version from 2023 and recently got the latest FSD update).
I won't buy one new, only used and 3rd party if I was to buy another.
We all get to choose who we want to open our wallets to and I'm definitely not going to open it to Elon.
> I believed their initial claims [...] and I'm kind of mad at myself for doing so.
Such optimistic claims were inappropriate, misleading, unprofessional and traded long term trust for immediate gain. But in a legal sense, speculation about future events never compels anything unless there is a specific agreement; it's foolish to assume follow-through especially without (but also with) much history. So direct your anger at both parties respectively.
I feel like something is off with Elon and he is not well. Nowadays he's basically going against everything he stood for so long: freedom of speech (trying to suppress views that he does not like), climate change (now he does not have problem with oil companies), Negative impact of AI (liking/sharing fake AI posts to promote Trump), etc.
It is a sad story actually that his potential is wasted like this way.
It's just becoming visible for everyone now. Truth is, he was always like that.
Freedom of speech ? Tesla pretty much survived thanks to Elon's deal with China to build the Shanghai factory. He never ever said anything about freedom of speech there.
He also actively tried and succeed to shut down people pointing out online that Tesla finances were in a very dire state at the time (2018). Lookup 'Montana Sceptic' case - he found out the guy, personally called the office he worked in, and threatened with lawsuits, which would include his employer.
EDIT: I shared your point of view until quite recently.
My theory is some life extension or mind hacking thing he got into was tainted with heavy metals, and hes suffering from relatively severe lead or mercury poisoning
O rly, so when he announced full self driving in 2014 which would make cars by other manufacturers uneconomical ... He wasn't just taking out of his arse?
Or when he peddled his hyper loop, the concept from the early 1900s that is unachievable without revolutionizing basic science to a degree, that this hyper loop would become a mere sidenote in comparison
Or the solar roof village, which didn't have even a single roof tiled with working panels back then.
His whole history is just him making things up and simps believing him on his tall tales
Making purchase decisions based on a company executive’s personal political opinions is dumb. It’s a self own to buy an inferior product for political reasons.
5 years ago Tesla was a no-brainer if you wanted a EV. In 2024 it seems like competition has caught up and every year their lead grows shorter. Why pay extra to fuel their CEOs crusade about whatever culture war issue pops into his head next?
I wouldn’t say they have caught up. The self driving features alone are in a league of their own. Supercharger network is also unmatched for reach and reliability.
It's a rhetorical wedge trying to establish value without actually doing so. I'd assume they're a stakeholder of some measure.
People and their choices attribute that value. Not snide people judging the decisions of others.
Tesla or anyone will sell you a golf cart. Most of the decision is personal style, categorically subjective.
Nearly all of the people I know don't buy new cars or lease. They're at least five or more years from ever seeing an EV because of used car affordability.
Case in point: the boots theory. The car they have is better than the one they could maybe get.
I edited it endlessly lol, not sure how much makes sense to be fair. I actually deleted this post and sent it again, realizing I was making the same mistake.
The 'self own' depends on the idea that one is selecting against their interests due to distaste for a given CEO.
First, who are they to say this? Something not objectively the best must be evaluated to find where it lands. Merits aren't universal, this falls to the individual. You did well to get to this point in your post.
Second, let's pause for a minute and think of how contrived this is. Outside of social media, how often does this happen? I get the feeling this is a distinctly Elon+Tesla problem. However, we can't completely separate the man from the companies.
The "boots theory" talks about how it costs more to be poor, many cheap boots instead of a more expensive pair. This tries to explain some counter-intuitive decisions people have to make.
In this light, maybe people rank their opinions over dubious features in an overpriced appliance.
Knowing it's a loose attempt, I'll try to say something equally silly: anyone wearing a belt clearly can't buy pants or is trying too hard to impress.
I believed their initial claims about what was then simply called "Autopilot", and I'm kind of mad at myself for doing so.
I'm also mad that FSD development has been switched to a new version of the autopilot hardware that my car doesn't have, and apparently can never be upgraded to.
The irony is, I would at least consider a new Tesla, were it not for Elon's antics and interference in US politics. While he's still there, I will never buy another Tesla, and I won't keep this one when the warranty runs out, at the end of this year.