Putting one up inside your store, okay, sure whatever. I mean when they put them outside pointing at sidewalks and pedestrians. Monitoring the sidewalk says that you care more about your security than your neighbor's privacy, and intrinsically that you think your neighbors may be a security threat, which is objectively offensive if you're the neighbor.
You don't do that if you see yourself as a part of the neighborhood.
We can talk about theft and security being important concerns, sure, but when I see security cameras going up pointed at neighbors and pedestrians it's yet to be *because of an actual breakin*. It's just bonkers how they get installed without anyone asking "why here, specifically?"
It seems like a response based on paranoia when the less antisocial thing to do is recognize that your business is, by the nature of physical space, part of the community. If every employee, including the founders and C-suite, commute from elsewhere and never talk to anyone living near their office, of course they're going to be paranoid of neighbors.
My goal of the cameras, which my neighbours know about, is not protecting me. It's protecting us.
I point cameras at their houses, at their doors & driveways from my property. Why? Because they can't install a camera on my house, but I can. Nobody has a problem. There's no distrust. There's cameras pointed right back at my home, too. We watch each other, because having more than one camera point of view creates a better security for all of us. I also have them watching at my door, specifically so I can see who is at the door, when mail gets delivered, or when packages get dropped off.
None of us have the delusion that we're all spying on each other. We're watching out for each other.
I'm not trying to play contrarian, but I agree with your parent.
If a neighbor wanted to install a camera pointed in the direction of my house and I could tell they were asking as a formality, I'd be nice about it. I'd be even nicer if we discussed my concerns before the final choice and they did not respect my wishes. It is their property and I'm not one to make a fuss, especially if there is no legal recourse.
However, in my head, I'd be furious and take it as a clear sign that they lack trust in the community and that they misunderstand what privacy means.
Being a good neighbor often means not rocking the boat, especially if you want to maintain healthy relationships. That isn't an endorsement of being passive, but an understanding that there are often bigger fish to fry. Banking their good will for a rainy day when I need coalitional support for something
In thinking a bit more about how to put this (I agree with you) --
My point was that cameras destroy trust.
You don't demonstrate trust in your child by putting a webcam in their bedroom and scanning their internet traffic. Maybe that's necessary for security in your mind, but it's not *trust*.
> I point cameras at their houses, at their doors & driveways from my property
Good god!
If a neighbour insisted on filming me and my family every time we left our front door, I'd either think they had a mental illness (paranoia) or were a bloody perv and in need of percussive attitude readjustment.
Complaining about the neighborhood putting cameras on their property means someone cares more about their propaganda system than their neighbors. Most of what you said is valid for door locks.
I'm sorry, you need to define "propaganda" and "neighbor" if you want me to take this seriously, especially as you're claiming that I am so invested in it. I care about my neighbors and want to preserve their and my privacy.
I don't think it is worth the downsides of being subjected to pervasive surveillance in the public square in exchange for the (false) promise of being necessary for security. Is your position seriously that this is propaganda that means I don't care about my neighbors?
To be honest it sounds like the actual propaganda I've been hearing since 9/11, and I don't think it makes neighborhoods healthier or safer. Just look at the actual article, do you think criminals haven't been hacking these cameras to determine when your neighbor leaves home?
You can have different values if you want, I'm not ashamed of mine on this one. I will absolutely not put up cameras pointing at the public, my neighbors deserve better than that.
Putting one up inside your store, okay, sure whatever. I mean when they put them outside pointing at sidewalks and pedestrians. Monitoring the sidewalk says that you care more about your security than your neighbor's privacy, and intrinsically that you think your neighbors may be a security threat, which is objectively offensive if you're the neighbor.
You don't do that if you see yourself as a part of the neighborhood.
We can talk about theft and security being important concerns, sure, but when I see security cameras going up pointed at neighbors and pedestrians it's yet to be *because of an actual breakin*. It's just bonkers how they get installed without anyone asking "why here, specifically?"
It seems like a response based on paranoia when the less antisocial thing to do is recognize that your business is, by the nature of physical space, part of the community. If every employee, including the founders and C-suite, commute from elsewhere and never talk to anyone living near their office, of course they're going to be paranoid of neighbors.