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Well, you can chase short term profit and send your designs off to TSMC, or you can own your own foundry. This is exactly why it's in the interest of the US government to ensure that Intel doesn't totally abandon US manufacturing just like AMD did years ago.


Not saying INTC isn't valuable - just saying they seem to have missed the boat in a big way and changes are in order.

The US does of course need on-shore chip foundries for strategic reasons.


It was not obvious to Intel leadership that the future of manufacturing was to become a contracted fabricator of the design of other companies. Vertical integration and total control over both design and manufacture of chips was the obvious (and, until recently) successful path. What board would keep an Intel CEO that presented the idea of shifting the primary focus of the company to manufacturing the designs of other companies whose products are in direct competition to Intel?

Intel is a perfect example of why companies need to regularly kill their old selves in order to survive. But it's also a perfect example of why so many companies fail to do so, since it often involves making what appears to be a terrible decision at the time, and convincing a bunch of people who know better to back you up. Very few leaders have the clout to pull this off.

The success of TSCM was the result of an interesting confluence of events: including the existence of ARM; Apple deciding that they were going to design their own hardware and outsource its manufacture; Nvidia developing CUDA; and the machine learning/AI revolution that drove demand for Nvidia cards.

If you take away any of those pieces, I think TSCM doesn't become the powerhouse it is today.


It's TSMC. Their rise is waaay before Apple or ARM. Plug and play fab model made getting into semiconductor design as a start-up possible. Broadcom, Qualcomm, Nvidia, Conexant etc all used TSMC in 90s, way before smart phones and ARM-mania. Intel saw this coming but they were ahead and they didn't worry about it. At the end they got stuck at getting bad yield from their FinFETs, which is invented by Intel, while TSMC and Samsung moved forward. Iphones would have been using Intel processors if Intel had a competing product to be honest. They screwed that up too. TSMC and Samsung just had the right mindset and focus, and a lot of smart and hardworking people.


Pat Gelsinger only returned 3 years ago, it just takes a while for changes to propagate through an org as large as Intel.


I hope you turn out to be right.


+1 this. Intel let MBA-think drive too many decisions (ie EUV). Maybe there was some misperception there, even cultural bias.

Pat's biggest real change has been to push the company towards process leadership. They always had good designs, though perhaps also damaged by MBA-think there too.

Still not sure about the decision to get out of non-volatile memory, though perhaps that was just a scope decision. Obviously, you could make a pretty amazing AI device with a whole bunch of NVM in-package...


Short term profit focus is arguably what led to Intel's engineering decline in the 2010s, despite what you say. An HN comment once recounted how they had spun off engineers into a another company and then merged with it again in a play to avoid pension obligations. That led to at least one frustrated engineer leaving and wishing them "good luck with 10nm". You often see other comments talking about how underpaid these highly educated workers are. Things seem hopeful that with Gelsinger at the helm, they may continue on the right path.


And yet the US has been the biggest pusher of comparative advantage economics for everyone else via the world bank and imf. What is good for the goose is apparently not good for the gander.

Though I totally agree with the strategic imperative I just wish the rest of us non US countries would wake up to it and stop allowing Western countries to extract economic rent by capturing strategic monopolies on energy, goods and services.




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