BT Openreach also seems to be getting away with an unjustified price structure too. ADSL established a precedent for upload speeds being far slower than download speeds, and this has been continued with FTTC and is being continued with FTTP.

There are a lot of good uses cases for faster uploads (backup to cloud, home servers, maybe things like video conferencing) and much less gain from faster downloads (except allowing websites to be even more bloated and more HD video to watch on smartphones)

Who's "we" in this context? Are you talking about a particular telco you work for?

FTTP was rolled out where I live by several providers almost 2 years ago. I don't live anywhere particularly urban.

I think we were at the back of the queue for this with FTTP available in UK cities for a few years now.

(For the avoidance of confusion I mean actual FTTP and not fibre to a cab/twisted pair to premises).

> Who's "we" in this context? Are you talking about a particular telco you work for?

If that were the case, I would have said so.

I'm referring to the UK in general. The FTTP roll-out has been delayed to 2030 (which is, if I remember correctly, 5 years ahead of the original date).

The best I've ever had is Virgin with DOCSIS, which is an unfortunate situation -- in that space, you quite literally have no competition amongst providers. Surprised the regulator hasn't done anything about it.

FTTP is already available in lots of places. I have a choice of two providers right now neither of which is Virgin or BT.

So to say that FTTP is not going to be rolled out until 2030 doesn’t make sense unless you are talking about by a specific provider in a specific place.

I'm referring to Openreach, which, according to their own statistics[0], cover 28.6m houses in the UK.

I'm unsure if you're being pedantic, as both the roll-out and Openreach are fairly well known here :)

[0]: https://www.openreach.com/about

No, I'm not being pedantic. If you mean just Openreach, just say Openreach, I did ask.

You're talking as if BT was still some wing of the government and the only ones allowed invest in UK network infrastructure.

This isn't 1995, they might be the biggest but they're not the only player.

As mentioned, City Fibre[1] and Trooli[2] have their own networks and there are others.

FTTP has already been rolled out in many parts of the UK, so saying "UK FTTP roll out has been delayed until 2030" is just not true.

I'm in the UK and using FTTP right now.

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1. https://cityfibre.com/

2. https://www.trooli.com/

Not sure why this is getting down voted. I'm in the UK right now for work and it seems to me the country is riddled with bureaucracy. An army of bureaucrats making sure the actual doers has to bend over backwards to follow some ridiculous rules.

I am not surprised the 5G roll out is taking time in the UK.

Agreed, and not sure either; the 5G rollout is another great example. In most of the houses I've been in, you're lucky to have cable (for DOCSIS). Most are stuck on ADSL, with providers selling misleading "superfast fibre" products that, in comparison to the rest of the world, are not super fast in any sense of the word.

If you look at BT, they offer FTTP but a lot of the time you have pitiful upload rates (symmetric 1Gbps would be nice), like 1Gbps/100Mbps.

There's a lot of bureaucracy over here, which slows technological advances down. Couple that with the very outdated architecture we have over here (we've pushed ADSL to its limits), it's quite sad.

What's worse is that FTTP is the worst kind... time shared GPON. Not true FTTP in my book (a single fibre per premise back to the exchange).