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		dale_glass on Sept 3, 2023 \| parent \| context \| favorite \| on: Tolkien, 50 Years On Neither Gandalf, nor Theoden nor Treebeard are harmed by it. In the Shire, the trouble started when Lotho took over, before Saruman showed up. Lotho then got deposed and killed by Saruman. So without Saruman getting there, the Shire was already in some trouble anyway.

zabzonk on Sept 3, 2023 [–]

saruman was deeply influencing the shire before he was chucked out of isengard

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