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Are there any lawsuits pending against KiwiFarms? If not, why not?


Not as far as I know. I think any criminal action will be extremely hard, at least under US law, as they haven't really done anything outright illegal. There are all sorts of claims about "KiwiFarms has done this or that" (same with 4chan), but often there's no direct connection to KiwiFarms or 4chan, and some claims seem to just made up of whole cloth.

A civil might have a higher chance of succeeding, but I suspect this will also be very hard. "People say mean things" is neither illegal nor harassment, and outright organisation of harassment doesn't really happen on KiwiFarms, at least not in public. Trying to get damages from doxing (in a civil suit, because in most jurisdictions it's not illegal AFAIK) might be the best shot, especially for people who are otherwise non-public figures, but I'm not sure what chance that will have.


There have been numerous civil suits against KF, not one of them has succeeded.


Mostly because they tend to pick on people who can only file pro se, not because of any inherent merit.


I guess that's a neat legal perk for someone seeking to victimize severely autistic and vulnerable people. One's victims can't afford lawsuits.


> Mostly because they tend to pick on people who can only file pro se, not because of any inherent merit.

This is demonstrably false. Kiwi Farms has thousands of threads on people ranging from Elon Musk to random Internet streamers. At least one of the most popular threads seems to be about a lawyer (Nick Rekeita).


If they only went for powerless people, why are they suddenly dropped by services that almost never drop sites?

There's no way I would even be allowed to talk to a human at these companies, much less convince them to change their politics.


An increasing number of jurisdictions are passing laws against doxing so the site you're defending will be harder and harder to defend.


Police and prosecutors don't seem to take much interest in online harassment cases (they're probably expensive to investigate, and it's difficult to even convince them to care at all), so criminal cases are unlikely. Meanwhile the site tends to pick victims that don't have money to hire lawyers for a civil suit (their victims are average people, not rich).

There's also the problem that their mode of operation may make it difficult to hold any single person liable. They basically engage in crowdsourced stalking, so there's many small contributions of different people whose connections would be hard to prove. As a collective, they obviously know what they're doing, but many individuals have plausible deniability. You can't try them with conspiracy. And that's if you can even track down who your pseudonymous stalkers are.


I first heard of kiwi-farms when it was blocked at the DNS level by New Zealand ISPs for hosting the censored video of the face book live stream of the 51 people being killed in the Mosque Terrorist attack. They also had a whole section called lol-cow where they crowd sourced doxing and ridiculing female youtubers if i recall correctly.


Multiple people have brought lawsuits against KiwiFarms. I believe Russell Greer's lawsuit is still ongoing, to answer your question. None have succeeded thus far.


Side note, but Wikipedia editors decided to censor KiwiFarms url, which I think is very interesting.


My understanding is that neither Null nor KF never hosted any content which wasn’t protected by the first amendment.

One has to remember Americans have a unique perspective on speech which isn’t shared around the world. “Sue them so they shut up” works here in Canada, it doesn’t necessarily work in the States.




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