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Primates have been cloned [1], human embryos have been cloned (supposedly) [2], and there are confirmed gene edited babies [3]. But, I doubt the existence of a ban means humans haven't been cloned, because I have trouble believing that a group that would successfully clone a human would be dumb enough to tell the world, state sponsored or not.

1. https://www.science.org/content/article/these-monkey-twins-a...

2. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2009-02/04/content_7443166...

3. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/08/cloning-crispr-he-jiank...



Primates are not humans, cloning embryos for stem cell research is different from creating human clones, and the scientist who produced the two CRISPR-edited children went to jail, and he and his associates are banned for life from working in this type of research or even providing care in this area.


> Primates are not humans

Those specific primates weren't human, but humans are primates [1].

Here's a quote from the Boyalife CEO, before the ban in China [2]:

> The technology is already there," Xu said. "If this is allowed, I don't think there are other companies better than Boyalife that make better technology."

> The firm does not currently engage in human cloning activities, Xu said, adding that it has to be "self-restrained" because of possible adverse reaction.

I don't believe laws have the ability to stop greed, or the desire for longevity (organs [3] without lifelong immunosuppressant therapy is very appealing). They just add a risk factor. This is why criminals still exist in the world.

1. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-are-humans...

2.https://www.mtv.com/news/43bwd7/chinese-scientist-clone-huma...

3. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...


We shall see, but illegal research is not the same as other types of crimes - it requires vastly more resources and people, and it may not pay for a long time.

Now, if animal cloning becomes commonplace, I do believe it will be way easier for someone to sneak in human cloning alongside it.


> illegal research is not the same as other types of crimes - it requires vastly more resources and people, and it may not pay for a long time.

This is my point, and exactly why I don’t think we would know if it were happening right now.


Aren't primates at least similar to humans? We're both mammals, have similar physical characteristiscs. Why shouldn't cloning people work?

I come from a law background so I am not familiar with the science. I've heard biological goods such as stem cells, eggs, spermia etc. are becoming very valuable and they are not very protected. I suppose underground groups could easily get they're hands on whatever they need. Securing illegal goods from a physician doing IVF on humans could be all they need.




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