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> This is the latter case.

How is privacy not a legitimate use case?

> According the to article, 14% of money moved through the mixer was of criminal origin.

I’m pretty sure the majority of duffel bags sold in cartel controlled areas of Mexico are used to transport drugs or drug money, that doesn’t mean selling them should be a crime.



>I’m pretty sure the majority

I'm pretty sure that's not true. 1-1 we tied :)

And again , not equivalent. If local duffel bag makers knew duffel bags were used significantly for crime, and added features to facilitate crime, and ignored laws requiring tracking criminals (which is what money processors have to follow), then the duffel bag maker would be criminally liable.

In the cast at hand, the company processes the transactions for criminals. That is vastly different than selling a duffel bag. And it runs afoul of criminal money laundering laws that all processors have to follow, and for good reason.

This is why the courts are the place to hash such stuff out - internet opinions are vastly inferior to people performing investigations using evidence.


Source - ChrisLemont

get off your high horse, use of tornado cash is quite common among crypto natives, otherwise it's like broadcasting your pepsi purchases on instagram


Tornado cash could have (for example) implemented AML or KYC policies to achieve the same without coming under the suspicion of assisting criminals.

Given the high data protection requirements warranted by operating a financial service, users could be reasonable sure that their Pepsi purchase remains private.

Of course such measures would run counter the intended use of Tornado cash, including money laundering, but that is their problem and no one's else.


What could "features to facilitate crime" be in this particular case? Tornado is a simple contract with a singular purpose, to provide financial privacy for its users. It simply doesn't have any features that facilitate a more specific use case, be it money laundering, personal safety, or anything else.


Phantom Secure might be the closest example?

But there's definitely legitimate uses for Tornado Cash. The same way there's legitimate uses for cash.

14% of funds, yeah, not 14% of users... Big difference.


>14% of funds, yeah, not 14% of users... Big difference.

Yep, it shows an incredible quantity of money laundering through the service.


> I’m pretty sure the majority of duffel bags sold in cartel controlled areas of Mexico are used to transport drugs or drug money

I'm sure that isn't true. Most people anywhere in Mexico are civilians not involved in the drug trade.


I think you're missing the intent part of crime. Someone selling a duffle bag or producing one for production is likely not selling it for the purpose of facilitating crime, they just are selling a bag. The question with guns/knives/Tornado Cash is "what is the motivation behind the producers/service provider once put under scrutiny?"

A textile mill producer who gets an order for 5000 duffle bags likely has no vision in mind for the use of the bag beyond "sell to N stores at X price for profit". The storeowner who buys the duffle bag likely also has no criminal motive and instead just wants to sell inventory at profit.

Tornado Cash devs will be scrutinized to understand their main goals, and their communications/advertising strategies, likely as well as any correspondences will be considered for this determination.




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