I've been visiting this site for a while, and this is the first time I got a awful stomach ache reading the comments. What is it that you want? Websites that look like they are written to work in lynx and IE4, in the pretentious name of usability?. In one breath the lament is that the older browsers are not offering features to eliminate flash, you see the it now and bitch. What a bunch of hypocrites. Just use curl to read your web pages or go back to gopher.