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Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility when your speech offends someone.

Progressives aren’t stopping you from reading racist books to your children.... just don’t expect most people to want to sell them to you or pat you on the back for making the next generation toxic against fellow citizens.



limiting free speech, censoring people and media, is regressive and authoritarian to the core. don't kid yourself.

> when your speech offends someone

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what."

Stephen Fry


"making the next generation toxic against fellow citizens." - Dr Seuss probably


How can we humans progress morally if we systematically try to hide the history of our immorality from ourselves?

This is precisely the same logic that led the Conquistadors to systematically destroy the history of the indigenous peoples of the Americas.


> Progressives aren’t stopping you from reading racist books to your children.... just don’t expect most people to want to sell them to you

The people that do want to sell them to you aren't allowed to do so.. meaning you are prevented in reading them.


I agree with your point about freedom of speech.

But I don't think any one is getting these books to teach their children to be racist, or that reading children this would have that effect. An image of African tribesmen is not even racist. It was historically accurate as of 1937. Any one reading kids this book would undoubtedly explain the book is 80 years old and a product of its time.

EBay has a right to do any thing it wants, but I think it overreacted because of pressure from people who are uptight and looking for dragons to slay and people to push around.


I plan to make my children toxic towards people denying other peoples basic human rights, directly and indirectly (e.g. by limiting access {e.g. by banning or burning} to books).


who's "basic human rights" are being denied here? Are you saying that the publisher of Dr.Seuss is committing human rights abuses by choosing not to publish some of the books THEY own the rights to?

Also, maybe teaching your children to be toxic towards anything won't really improve the world they will have to live in?


> THEY own the rights to

these rights are supposed to protect compensation, not as a means of suppression or censorship.

Why should society protect IP for this purpose, or compensate IP owners for which there are no damages?


are you saying that private entities don't get to choose what products to cease production of? Once you start producing a product, you are obligated to continue indefinitely?


No, I'm saying the opposite: the private owner should lose exclusive production rights if they cease production permanently; i.e others should be able to freely produce this book, now it is out of production, without fear of being sued over copyright.


Surpressing information is wrong. The publisher not publishing is a minor case here, the Karens and SJWs who make existing work disappear by having it banned from libraries and/or public marketplaces are the main enemy here.

Also, being tolerant to intolerance breeds autocratic and non free societies. A lesson mankind seems to have to learn over and over and over again. My children will be taught that you do not suffer the Nazi, the Communist, the self-righteous conservative calling for a ban or the SJW.


> the Karens and SJWs who make existing work disappear by having it banned from libraries and/or public marketplaces are the main enemy here.

could you provide some examples of what you are referring to here?


There aren't any. The legion of SJWs and progressive use of government bans are totally made-up things.

Propaganda has been very strong the last few years, and people feel like defending racism is actually some sort of legitimate fight because they actually believe that things like Antifa, Social-Justice-Warriors, and government bans initiated by progressives are real organized things. They are invented ideas and tools used by propagandists to keep people divided and working against the interests of other Americans.


yea that was the reason why I asked for examples as I figured they were just parroting reactionary talking points without any evidence to back it up. I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm still waiting on those examples...


Have a starter from the ALA: http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks


that's not an example of "Karens and SJWs who make existing work disappear by having it banned from libraries and/or public marketplaces". That's just vague gesturing at lists of controversial books all of which are readily available.

Did you even go through this list?

http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks...

Most of them might be "banned" in a few select conservative/christian schools and that's it. Come up with actual examples of the things you are claiming or stop fear-mongering.


This, 100% over. That is how I have lived my life and plan on passing that on to the next generation as well.




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