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Exactly my thought, ST Microelectronics is producing microchips in Grenoble, France, not far from where I live.

And ST Micro chips are heavenly used in IOT. Maybe it's more than the semiconductor sector and includes telecommunications, networks equipment, phone/pc CPUs.



There is no need for advanced nodes for micro-controllers. Typically even advanced µC use 40nm, planar, where the TSMC leading node is 5nm FinFET. ST also does FD-SOI 22nm if I remember well, but that's the densest node they have and nowhere near the current state of the art at TSMC.

The thing is, micro-controllers do not need advanced nodes. They don't have a lot of logic (it's all relative, but compared to a PC CPU or smartphone SoC), so would be "pad limited" on advanced nodes: the area of a chip depends on the logic (and memory), but also on the I/O pins or pads, which take area. So if you used a too advanced node for a chip with (relatively) little logic and still enough I/O pads, some die area would be wasted as the minimum area would come from the pads. It's a situation you want to avoid, as there's no point paying for a more costly finer nodes (with more leakage) to waste it by not using the silicon area.

Another factor is that micro-controllers also embed Flash on their die, to have a very integrated solution with logic, RAM and Flash storage on a single die. This puts a limit on the node density. Flash is OK down to 40nm. Then from then one must move to more advanced, and still young and costly, alternatives (MRAM).

So if your business is driven by micro-controllers, there's no real point in pushing toward node density ("low" nodes). ST does process optimization as everyone, but at "medium" nodes best suited for µC. There's no business drive for them to chase TSMC.

It's similar for other Eurpeans silicon makers: they tend to be on specific segments where going for "low" nodes like 5nm simply doesn't make sense. The relatively advanced fabs in Europe are from Intel and Global Foundries (both US). And GloFo stopped the race to advanced node at 14nm, as it was too expensive.


> micro-controllers do not need advanced nodes...They don't have a lot of logic

Why MCU-bound application logic are simpler than PC apps? If that is the case, we shouldn't have seen improvement in embedded MCUs in 20 years, yet every year the clocks are increasing, the flash/RAM size is doubling, ... I have a theory/fear that in future, the line between embedded-dev and web-dev would be blurred...


Given how eagerly all those GCP/AWS/AZUR "IOT frameworks" run out of memory on the most beefy microcontrollers a mortal can buy, I'm afraid, you are right.


As long as mcu's with less ram/flash will be sold for less(which is standard business strategy to optimize revenue), in high volume designs people will use c/c++ to optimize.

As for low volume designs, if reliability is important, rust would be a good candidate.


ST does 22nm FD-SOI at globalfoundries , not their own fab.


It’s true, I guess it’s also about looking for success somewhere else (mems and weird elements) instead of direct competition on integration size.


There are eFlash offerings from at least TSMC, and GF at 28nm, they are just quite expensive.


And don't forget about the new Starlink flat antennas! The biggest surprise from the tearing videos for many EE I know was that the custom chips doing the DSP magic are made by ST, and not Analog Devices or TI. Undersampling in KU band on cheap silicon is not a trivial undertaking.

Makes you see ST in a new light.




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