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It's quite the opposite actually. HN has a ridiculous Apple bias (the flood of blogspam mentioning M1 should be evidence of this), and any comments critical of it are shouted down. They can literally do nothing wrong in most eyes.

NO company can, or should be above criticism. You will see comments critical of _all_ large companies in HN threads, but only comments defensive in these threads. Imagine a comment like yours on a thread about Amazon or Facebook.

I have gut feeling of my own - that many people identify with their Apple products (identity politics) and are personally offended by any criticism that the organisation receives.

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Edit: To put it in a little perspective... I invite you to view the contemporary Amazon thread. What would happen if you posted that everyone should focus on AMZN creating jobs and hiring people rather than criticizing them?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25237552



Maybe HN just has a diversity of opinion on apple products? There is plenty of reason to critique apple and plenty of reason to praise their products. I come to HN for the insight, and it is hard to get more insight about a tech company than from a bunch of tech nerds who disagree about it!


I actually wonder about that.

M1 has been out for a short time, and Apple Stores are not accepting walk-in customers. People aren't seeing their friends much due to the pandemic, so it's unlikely that those who bought the new machines are broadly showing them off.

Lots of forum praise about M1 seems like it's coming from people who have no hands-on experience with the new devices. I have no reason to believe that Apple pays people to stir up hype on the web, but I definitely sense that the vast majority of people hyping M1 haven't purchased an M1 device. My sense is that they just read some blogs, ogle some benchmarks, and regurgitate what they see.

That's not exactly a diversity of opinion. I can tell you I've been voted down a couple of times just for suggesting that there's too much hype and not enough information.


I've seen some blogs of techy people with hands on experience saying that they like the machine. I haven't really seen anyone who has it say they dislike it. But they do seem willing to jump through extra hoops to make the machine work for them.

So I think there is some reliable evidence in it's favour. But I don't think you should be downvoted for disagreeing with that. Since it definitely up for debate! Someone seems to have downvoted your comment here, and I think that is the wrong action to take on what is clearly a thoughtfull response on your part.


There is some genuine excitement about a new CPU architecture, that’s quite natural. If anything the opposite would be surprising on HN. Some of these people are Apple users, some of them are hoping another vendor will follow and offer powerful ARM laptops and desktops, some of them are just happy that a breakthrough has been made and that it will stimulate the competition. There is quite a lot of diversity in these opinions, actually.

You even find the usual contrarians who moan that it’s Apple, so anyone saying anything positive have to be shills and the CPU has to be terrible (plenty of those in this thread).

Since when do he have to buy something to have an opinion? Are you saying that the people who complain about the M1 (or Macs in general) without having bought one should just shut up?


> Since when do he have to buy something to have an opinion?

It's pretty difficult to have an informed opinion about a product that you've never seen/used/tested/tried.

Due to the requirements for a shopping appointment at an Apple Store (hard to come by, if you check online), and due to social distancing, it's fairly unlikely that a person who hasn't bought/received an M1 machine can have an informed opinion about it -- especially so soon after the release.

That's why I take the hype regurgitation with a grain of salt. Has nothing to do with buying the right to have an opinion.


"The universal experience is that Hacker News is incredibly biased against whatever you happen to favor."


Another possibility: it is hard to make someone understand something if their income depends on them not understanding it.




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