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These lines have become a bit of a meme in philosophy circles, but, for the record, while all of these lines are attested to in Cora Diamond's edition of "Wittgenstein's Lectures on the Foundations of Mathematics," Wittgenstein and Turing did not have a back-and-forth conversation like this.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/d4YUZVq1JSEC?hl=en&gb...

The first line, "I won't say anything which anyone can dispute" is from Lecture 2.

The next two lines ("I understand but I don't agree" / "Turing doesn't object") are from Lecture 6.

The "I see your point" / "I have no point" was a remark amid a deeper conversation during Lecture 10.

Juxtaposing the lines like this makes Wittgenstein seem comically insane (which is the joke, and I do get it).



The joke is that Wittgenstein's statements are the axioms/rules for the language game he intends to play.

And then he proceeds to play the language game he said he is going to play given his interpretation of the rules he set forth.

It's the rule-following paradox in practice.

  "This was our paradox: no course of action could be determined by a rule, because any course of action can be made out to accord with the rule"
He's taking the piss of axiomatic/formal reasoning which is the epitome of pointless rule-following.


also noted in https://existentialcomics.com/comic/321

I find the unreasonable effectiveness of formal systems to be this: just as the shaman crosses into the "spirit world" and uses their experience there to predict happenings in our world, we can turn statements about bridges and dynamic loads in our world into formal statements, arrangements of symbols, and manipulate them mindlessly according to a formal system, yet the resulting safety margins do indeed predict happenings in our world.

(A city once gave an engineering school the contract to demolish an old bridge. The date was agreed upon, but that afternoon the city had to sent representatives out at lunchtime to insist that even though it hadn't been formally specified in the contract, their intent —and the neighbour's expectations— had always been that the bridge would be blown up all at once, not that little bits be blown off all morning to see how much structure could be removed before collapse...)




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