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Robert Evans and Jason Wilson have a pretty good overview here: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-move...


wow, that's an amazing level of depth! really cool article


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People get confused when they can’t fit a movement (which, incidentally, this really isn’t) into a box on the left or right.


But he tries his best to tie it to the "right" anyway, whatever that means nowadays. Conservatives shooting police? Give me a break.


Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal building. It sounds like you're engaging in a "no true scotsman" argument if you're claiming that nobody associated with the political right uses violence against the state.


It's quite telling that you have to go back to Timothy McVeigh for an example of this. That was quarter of a century ago, and it was just one dude, and his connection to the right was tenuous at best.


In 2016, a bunch of right wing goons with guns occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. They didn't kill anyone, but it was an armed standoff with federal agents.

Is that recent enough for you?


The author of this Atlantic piece (dismissed above as "so far detached from reality") makes the exact same observation:

> The boogaloo groups disagree when it comes to racism. Some members are white supremacists. Others compare the movement to the left’s campaign against police brutality. Many boogaloo memes are focused on police overreach, equating the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and FBI sieges at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, in the ’90s with the recent high-profile police killings of Black Americans.


Can you explain what you mean by "folkish"? I googled and got very little except this wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement but it seems to be only based on a literal translation from German.


The sibling comment is circumlocutious but it's what you might think it is when you read the Völkisch wikipedia page. Here's another link that uses the term directly:

https://odinic-rite.org/main/what-it-means-to-be-folkish/

TLDR: it's Nazis.


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Not cool, and you've posted like this before. Please keep this kind of thing off HN.


I don't think it's accurate to describe the state of Israel with the terminology of white nationalism.


If the shoe fits.


I'm not sure I follow.


"If there was ever a time for bois to _stand in solidarity_ ..."

Emphasis is mine. That phrase is used almost exclusively by far leftists, and comes from Marxism/Leninism (haven never actually read any of it, the vast majority of leftists do not know where the phrase comes from).

It could be that this exact phrasing is used on purpose, actually, as a form of trolling IRL to appeal to the far left types and try to provoke violence against the government (which will eventually blow back pretty hard - patience is wearing thin already, even in ultra-liberal places like Portland or Seattle).

I still can't really imagine, however, that the overwhelmingly pro-police conservatives could advocate shooting cops. This seems like far left, "tear down the system" shit to me. "The world is about to change its foundation. We are nothing, let us be all." The Russian translation, BTW, literally translates as "We will destroy the world of violence to its foundation, and then, we will build our new world, those who were nothing will be all".




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