> [Reduced Work Hours as a Means of Slowing Climate Change]
Great, how do we do that without reducing output? If the share of society that supports all of it cuts their hours in half, their personal situation will certainly improve. But a lot of people will go hungry.
The promise of machinery, computers, automation, and robots was that humans could stop working so hard and so many hours. Instead productivity, hours worked, and profits made have skyrocketed, while free time and worker compensation have remained stagnant.
If everyone cut their hours in half the only thing that would happen is growth would slow a little bit and billionaires would make a little less money. If people are going hungry, that's not a problem of productivity. There is more than enough money in most Western countries to make sure that doesn't happen. The only problem is how that money is distributed.
People want smartphones and TVs and cars and entertainment and health systems etc pp, they don't just want nutrition. To provide that, we still need a lot of stuff that isn't automated (yet).
I'm not talking about distribution of profits, I'm talking about raw output.
This is just not true, the vast majority of people are not manufacturing smartphones, they're just pushing papers (selling you insurance you don't need, signing you up for a loan you don't need, selling you your 6th pair of shoes, etc.). We could easily sustain our livelihood with much less work, but that would free up too many minds to start wondering why we reward a tiny fraction of our population with the vast majority of the wealth we generate as a society. The boot stays on our throats because the billionaire class benefits from keeping us chained to our desks.
> We could easily sustain our livelihood with much less work
Sure. But not everyone wants the same, and central planning has proven that it's even more inefficient and wasteful than the capitalist free market system with its insane shoe-storage-system-stores and shoe-storage-systems-insurance-salespeople.
No on is suggesting central planning, my friend. It's funny how proponents of capitalism always jump to erect this straw-man when any criticisms come up.
Nah, most people are caught in bullshit jobs that wouldn't matter if they went away. Consider, we're more or less just as busy now as our grandparents a 100 years ago, despite massive improvements in computers, manufacturing, agriculture, etc. etc.. We have to work because not working would be socially unacceptable, not because we actually provide anything of value.
That depends on what you value, I believe. Yes, we can provide the 1800 quality of life to everyone by mostly automation. The issue is that very few are content with that, they want the 2020 version.
That is a question I've been asking myself a lot: What is the cause and what the effect? Do people really want a new expensive car every 3-5 years and are willing to part with a lot of their income to do it? Or do most people simply never ponder the possibility of working less or retiring earlier, and as a result make their "mandatory work time" more enjoyable by consuming? I'd wager that more often than not it's the latter. The third option is that they realise the option to work less but are afraid that they'd feel less valuable to society or wouldn't know what to do with themselves and thus wilfully work full-time (and consume to match).
It's probably a mix. Plenty of people have children and want to provide them a safe and strong launchpad, and "cut back hours and enjoy life" won't do that. Consumption and status symbols are part of the game, though I don't think it's really a question of buying a new car every few years for average people, that's out of reach for a large part of society.
You don't need to play the game, but being inside the game also provides security. Humans are very social, the odd outlier that prefers his own company and is happy to trade comfort and safety for simplicity and freedom really is an exception.
The issue is we're preserving jobs like coal mining just so people can have a job to get a paycheck. If we can automate those jobs (or make them obsolete with solar power), what's the value in stopping those peoples' paychecks? Oh right, the fat cats have got to get fatter, can't have anyone eating and having a roof over their head without back-breaking labor to accompany it.
We'll need to fully replace them first, but even then, I don't think it's a significant number. In the US, there are about 50k workers left in the mining industry, and other advanced nations mirror that. I'm not a fan of keeping coal mining around, but I don't believe it's a large issue, and I do believe that this is mostly a safety system. If all else fails due to some disaster, war or alien attack, you want to have the ability to scale coal mining back up. That'll only work if you retain the know how and technology.
The transportation industry accounts for 4M jobs across the US, what do you think will happen to those people once driving is automated? Some billionaire will collect their paychecks and they'll be left to starve.
I don't know that it does, I believe it mostly takes knowledge of the possibilities to want them. Of course, nobody wants the negative aspects, burnout, depression, obesity etc, but few people need convincing when it's about a car that will help you drive. In fact, I believe that e.g. privacy concerns or an animosity towards "comfort technology" (as in "siri, switch off the lights") is something few people have intuitively. Accepting what makes life easier is the default state.
If you take cars as an example the need to move around comfortably is available quite cheaply.
What we have got though is an onslaught of marketing encouraging us to thing of a vehicle as part of our identity and status. New tail fins making us think our current model is obsolete. Advertising implying that we aren't a good parent if we don't have a new German car. Product placement telling us suave British spies all drive Aston Martins.
The car market is the furthest thing from utility.
Oh certainly, there's plenty of useless differentiators between brands, but it takes little convincing to want a car as a concept. People who don't want cars generally do so because of environmental concerns, not because they don't see a value in comfortably and quickly moving around over long distances, protected from the elements and with the ability to also transport other people or lots of goods.
The hunger itself is less of an issue because the food itself is pretty damn cheap. With resturants the labor is the biggest cost component.
Especially if it is just "rice and dried beans boiled in water plus multivitamins". Hell the supply chain issues show distribution is an expensive part in comparison - although unfortunately the cheapness comes from high scale too.
The real issues with scalability are things like medical care and other higher skilled labor - not just because of task switching inefficiencies but because any proportional hour reduction means increased demand - assuming that the hours worked are useful.
Less skilled labor is more or less commoditized and would be easier to spread the burden around and would likely show a boost instead of a decline in productivity (although involving say 10 people working 4 hour shifts instead of 5 working 8 hour shifts).
Regardless of stance on what we should do a massive societal lifestyle shift would neither be easy nor well received.
And a great deal of it is only because we have been conditioned to "consume" things we don't really need.
Consider the fashion industry, to take a somewhat arbitrary example. I don't mean the clothing industry -- most of us would agree we need clothing -- but the fashion industry, which exists not to clothe us but to convince us to constantly buy new and different clothing, because otherwise we won't be seen as "cool" or "fashionable" or "successful" enough.
Great, how do we do that without reducing output? If the share of society that supports all of it cuts their hours in half, their personal situation will certainly improve. But a lot of people will go hungry.