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Unfortunately, the way the system is setup, things won't change anytime soon. The reality is: often cities' homelessness departments are prime locations for employing cronies and operatives.

For example: the City of San Francisco spends $70M per year (about $10K per homeless person, given that the population of the homeless is just under 7K). On top of that you have churches and other charities helping out. And yet I see homeless people all around, sleeping in doorways, on sidewalks, etc. Heck, in the shadow of City Hall you'll see dozens of homeless people.

But the department of homelessness (I don't recall the name of the department) was filled with people from (ex-mayor) Gavin Newsom's campaign staff (from his unsuccessful run for Governor). There is no accountability. There are no metrics on how many homeless people are in the City. All we have is a massive bureaucracy that is making a living off of claiming to help homeless people.



often cities' homelessness departments are prime locations for employing cronies and operatives

Yeah, that is kinda the dirty little secret of the homelessness "industry". Take Shelter, by far the most well known homelessness charity in the UK. Do they actually run hostels and soup kitchens? Well, actually, and this comes as a surprise to most people, they don't. They just transfer money from their donors to "think-tanks" and well-paid consultants. It's a huge racket, but since they have glommed onto a "worthy cause" they're untouchable.


That's just not true. As you can see from their independently audited annual report most of the money they raise is spend on giving housing advice to people in trouble:

http://england.shelter.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/29...

Money out £45.9 million; Housing and legal services: £27,809,000.


Actual housing, or housing advice? If I'm reading this right, they spent 355,000 on direct housing aid and grants, versus 5,400,000 on "fundraising costs". They also combined legal and housing services on the pie chart to make it look better.

There is a line item for "housing services" which cost 21M and employs 441 people. But I can't find where they explain what all that money went to. It can't be housing aid because that's a separate line item. It's odd that they detail exactly where the 355K went to, but not the 21M.

It's reasonable to assume the 21M is salaries for 441 people. So to a first approximation, this organization doesn't actually give out anything except advice. Their second key goal is "To make monies available to housing associations", but I only see some token grants, dwarfed by their advertising budget.

That may all be well and good and necessary and proper for the situation in the UK, eg they lobby for govt funds that go direct to housing assocs. I don't know enough about it. But if their public image is of an organization that runs soup kitchens and provides housing, it's not supported by this report.


No, they don't claim to run soup kitchens or housing for the homeless. They are an organisation that gives out housing advice and lobby local and national government on housing issues for the poor. And, yes, they employ lawyers.

However the UK Government's 2009/10 social housing budget was £3.3bn. £50m is a drop in the ocean in this sector.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11570923


I suspected there was a wrinkle I was missing. So what might be the root of gaius's claim about their public image? Do they run a lot of adverts implying something different?

I'm not too concerned about their size relative to the whole "homeless budget", but how much of their income is spent on direct benefit to the people they are chartered to help. I'm also concerned about their "implied accomplishments" versus their actual accomplishments,ie image vs reality.

From what I can tell, about 60% of their income goes to the salaries of front-line people (legal and housing advice). 28% went to operational expenses (fundraising and "shelter shops"). The rest is advertising and paperwork.


What is "housing advice"?


It is, essentially, legal advice about housing law & debt with some practical help in finding temporary emergency housing.


Well-paid lawyers rather than well-paid consultants, same difference.


I have a friend who is a lawyer that works largely giving in the housing-benefit sector, and I can tell you she is anything but well-paid.

For people struggling to get by, getting legal aid to prevent them losing their house is priceless. They cannot afford to pay a lawyer, so that kind of donation to pay for one is incredibly important to them.


Where does the $70M figure come from? Not challenging you, just want to be able to cite toe source myself. This is outrageous.


Oops, I was wrong. The figure is actually $150 million: http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-09-27/bay-area/24099065_1_ho...

It is outrageous indeed. Every time I walk by a homeless person sleeping in the cold on the sidewalk, I am reminded of this figure.


Is it?

Thats $87 per citizen in SF.

That accounts for 0.39% of my taxes in a given year, and I don't even make that much money because I just graduated college.


You're paying $22k in city taxes a year and don't consider yourself making much money?


"My taxes" != city taxes, but you probably already knew that and are trying to pivot the argument to be about me instead of about my point. That is usually a sign you can't argue my point.

I'm saying, $87 a year out of my taxes is a tiny amount when you consider what you pay for other things. How much do you spend a year on defense? Since the effective tax rate is around 30% (roughly) and the defense budget is around 20% of the federal budget (roughly), I pay around 52x more for defense than for helping homeless people in a given year. Is defense 52x more important than social services? And I say this being a defense contractor who entire livelyhood depends on taxes and the military industrial complex.


Considering the discussion was about what SF pays, I think talking about what you pay in SF taxes would make sense. But hey, that's just me.


Do you really think that the city budget is self-funded? I don't live in SF but in NYC a huge portion of the budget comes from state and federal grants. That is true even on the local town level. Almost all of the money sent to the federal and state governments is handed back down the chain with strings and stipulations attached.

Otherwise, what would the state be doing? If the state spends a bunch of money on roads, it spends it on roads in towns. You might be driving down the street in your town seeing construction, but that money came from state taxes not town taxes.

The same goes for programs big and samll. Medicaid is money collected on the federal level, but paid out on the state level.




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