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> power over ethics

No one sees themselves as evil. I'm sure that "they" just differ in terms of what they consider ethical. If I may play the devil's advocate: Why is it more ethical to favor those born with ability than to favor those born with connections?

I don't have a quarrel with either form of discrimination, but I do have a problem with the dishonesty about how things actually work.



Apparently we're close enough to post-scarcity that people forget jobs are supposed to do things and not status symbols.

The point of meritocracy isn't that it's more fair or ethical, the point is that we give the most important (on the margin) jobs to the people most capable of doing said job. The fact that money, status, and power flow to the people doing important jobs is an incidental side effect.

Now universities aren't exactly jobs, but the point stands. Universities are supposed to educate people, so that those people can do stuff. Letting in people with connections and not ability means we are not making the best use of our limited educational resources. Note that this is an argument for affirmative action as advertised and an argument against affirmative action as practised.


> Universities are supposed to educate people

The primary goal of most research universities is to conduct research. Educating people is not the goal, or is an auxiliary goal.

Related: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2008/05/29/...

> But there is one misimpression that people seem to have, that might as well be corrected before any hasty actions are taken: the purpose of Harvard is not to educate students. If anything, its primary purpose is to produce research and scholarly work. Nobody should be surprised that the gigantic endowment isn’t put to use in providing top-flight educational experiences for a much larger pool of students; it could be, for sure, but that’s not the goal. The endowment is there to help build new facilities, launch new research initiatives, and attract the best faculty. If it weren’t for the fact that it’s hard to get alumni donations when you don’t have any alumni, serious consideration would doubtless be given to cutting out students entirely. ...

> This is not a value judgment, nor is it a particular complaint about Harvard. It’s true of any top-ranked private research university, including Caltech. ...


Why do I always get the impression that getting into an elite university is harder than getting a degree there once you're already in?


It absolutely is. In fact in many situations “Harvard dropout” carries more social cachet than “Harvard graduate” (of course both can backfire).


I am definitely not a trained ethicist, philosopher, etc...but my personal view is that morality in a society largely comes down to whether and how power is shared. The weak and vulnerable will stay that way without some help, and the powerful will grow more powerful without either rules or morals to check them.

So in this case, I personally would say it's more ethical to favor those born with ability rather than connections because it rewards the behavior you're ostensibly trying to instill (hard work, overcoming odds, etc.). But again, I'm not surprised by these sorts of admissions policies, and I think swinging the other way so radically that they self-destruct is probably more ill-advised than the status quo.


> Why is it more ethical to favor those born with ability than to favor those born with connections?

Because this is the land of opportunity. See for yourself how a privileged spoiled brat from Ivy league universities behaves in this country [0]

0 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6vlu1FRaic


Overall I don’t disagree about the honesty part, but devils advocate here - maybe we shouldn’t favor either?




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