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France has a democratic system, Hong Kong has no democratic way to get rid of Lam.

USA has due process, the right to council and many other fundamental human rights.

Most of the posters are in Chinese.

Brexit will be worse for the UK economically, leaving China would be good for HK democratically. And, also, the UK has an enshrined right to leave thanks to article 50, HK does not have that right at all.



UK people also have no democratic process to get rid of appointed EU leaders and bureaucrats. And even leaving the entire thing is being difficult.

USA is the country with more incarcerated people globally and per capita. (possibly unfairly?)

The posters are possibly most in Chinese. Maybe it was the selection from western sources. Although there is a very big amount in English.


> USA has due process, the right to council and many other fundamental human rights.

Surely you jest. USA practices extraordinary rendition, torture, and assassination of their own citizens without trial.


Not even remotely to the same extent as China. Even Joaquin Guzman gets a trial.


Anwar al-Awlaki didn't get one.

I guess just a little bit of extrajudicial murder by the State is OK.


It is never ok, but there is a clear difference in the extent to which it occurs, the legality of it and how it’s handled by the government. For example, Gui Minhai has also criticized the US government but they didn’t kidnap him and keep him from exercising his right to council.

Or is your argument that every country that has performed extra judicial punishments, no matter the circumstances or judicial proceedings that followed, is as unreliable in its protection of human rights as China?


> is as unreliable in its protection of human rights as China?

The US is vastly worse than China in this regard. Hundreds of thousands have been slaughtered by the US govt in the middle east in the past two decades alone. The US does OK (and yes, obviously much better than China) domestically, but their respect for human rights ends at the border.


And this is a discussion about domestic courts, that’s what’s relevant to this article because those are the ones HK would extradite to. Extraditing to an American court is far more in line with respecting human rights than to a Chinese court.




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