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Descending Night: The cruel fate of Audrey Munson (2015) (believermag.com)
8 points by evilsimon on May 23, 2019 | hide | past | favorite | 7 comments


I don't find her that good looking.

Was it the lack of others doing the same job as her, or has cultural standards of beauty changed that much?

Some of her flapper and poise pictures look good, but not super special.

Maybe it is just me.


Cultural standards of beauty have changed that much. If you want an extreme example, from not long before (late 19th instead of early 20th century), see https://themindcircle.com/tadj-es-saltaneh-persian-princess/.


https://blog.usejournal.com/princess-qajar-and-the-problem-w...

> Junk history is embodied perfectly in a recent viral meme that portrays a nineteenth-century Persian princess with facial hair alongside the claim that 13 men killed themselves over their unrequited love for her. While it fails miserably at historical accuracy, the meme succeeds at demonstrating how easily viral clickbait obscures and overshadows rich and meaningful stories from the past.

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> Unfortunately, not only does the “Princess Qajar” meme boil down this deeply-nuanced element of cultural history into junk history clickbait, it also makes it worse by adding the sensational claim that thirteen men killed themselves over their unrequited love for her. Naturally, there is no source given to support this claim, which appears to be pulled from thin air. Were it true, it would seem like worthy material to include in even the shortest legitimate biographical information about ‘Esmat, but it doesn’t appear anywhere.

You raise a good point about shifting standards of beauty. You simply picked a poor example, one made more out of clickbait and meme culture than actual history.


Ah whoops. Thanks "themindcircle.com".


From an evolutionary perspective, it simply does not make sense for standards of beauty to be bound so tightly to culture. Humans must have some degree of innate selection characteristics, defined at a minimum by heterosexuality which selects for non cultural sexually dimorphic characteristics.

But, as another reply already mentioned, your source is likely nonsense. Further, even if it were true, consider that her "beauty" may very well have been tied to her status as a princess; in other words, suitors were disheartened by rejection less because she was attractive and more because she was royalty.

Moreover, I don't know how applicable a single, isolated locale's standards of beauty are to trends in other cultural segments.


Natural selection is not the only force that shapes evolution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evolution_of_Beauty

...tends to imply that beauty standards can, in fact, be quite tightly bound to a culture.


It's speculated this is why human males lack a baculum.

https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/researchers-in-museums/2012/11/26/ho...




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