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You think PG&Es problem was outsourcing and not Californian law making them liable for wildfire damages even in the absence of negligence?

That's....a novel take.



You have misunderstood what I have written. Outsourcing was not what caused bankruptcy. It is the bad decisions/management, negligence, corruption etc which might have caused bankruptcy.

What I am trying to point out is how misguided the management is. Instead of looking inwards and fixing their issues they think that the lower rank and file people are the problem (i.e. the people who do not have a say in how the company is run) and lay them off and try to cut costs. Next they outsource their operations which will decrease their efficiency even more which will further exacerbate their problems.

The outsourcing companies had a big push to get into energy and utilities (in short ENU) sector and such companies provided a good revenue until they didn't.


Don’t forget decades of corruption. Remember when a few blocks of houses exploded a few years back?

Apparently, decades ago, PG&E employees simply pocketed the natural gas pipeline maintenance money instead of doing the work. Last I heard, PG&E was supposed to replace the entire pipeline network in California, since the fraudsters didn’t document which pipes were maintained, and which weren’t.

Just like the current bankruptcy will likely turn out, the only real impact of this on PG&E seems to be higher utility rates (which probably let’s them keep more for profit in absolute terms...)


> absence of negligence

As I understood things, that bit is being explored in court and it's looking rather grim for PG&E.


The absence of negligence? There are many reports of missed chances to improve fire safety. The law has just sped the liability process up.


Interested to hear your full angle on this, not trying to flame bait here but genuinely curious.


My impression based on limited information is that many of the areas were so overloaded with dry dead vegetation that who sparked the otherwise inevitable fire should be irrelevant. The state forcing liability like it is amounts to nothing but a back-door tax propping up areas which should be uninhabited because of the risk.


>>State regulators point out that overall, only about 10 percent or less of the state’s wildfires are triggered by power line issues. But they acknowledge the state’s 176,000-mile system of overhead electrified lines has played a role in igniting some of the biggest and most destructive fires in recent years. https://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article221707650.html

So fires will happen. But also with 176,000 MILES of wires through all kinds of terrain, there's a limit on how much they can do. Summertime those forests almost don't even need a spark to light up, it's so dry and full of combustible material. And then, a tree from 45 yards away falls on the wires...


My full angle is just that outsourcing of IT for a utility company seems, at best, two steps removed from anything of relevance.

PG&E outsourced something like 70 jobs from their IT department. They laid off under 2% of their workforce.

You have engage in all kinds of "this is a symptom of" third-degree effects stuff. But if you want to just say "they have bad management" why talk about outsourcing of an IT team instead of....their actual core business?

You know who else outsources? Apple & Google. (Apple spends $100 million a year on Indian outsourced IT, for instance) According to the OP's thesis we should expect Apple & Google to shutdown soon.

No one believes that because, really, none of us believe the OP's thesis that outsourcing a tiny fraction of your workforce is a sign of anything material.


Some of the recent fires were thought to be caused by PGE negligence. Once brought under control and investigated, it turned out to be your very standard sparks-on-the-road and dry bush fire, just grown to epic proportions. Nevertheless some maintenance issues were found in PGE’s service record and they are still being held accountable by the state, for a fire they didn’t cause. Right criminal, wrong crime.

I’m not a fan of PGE, and I’m personally very happy their filing for bankruptcy, but there does appear to be some political grandstanding and scapegoating here.


You might want to read the article, its well written and addresses that point.




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