Yes, it's quite sad how unconciliatory the two camps (systemd implementors on one side, the traditionalits on the other side) have become. Both sides' arguments have their merits, but with this unnecessary hate and anger everywhere no one really wants to join the discussion anymore. :-(
You're asking people that were here before systemd and argued quite deftly against systemd's takeover of Linux to now "have a conversation" about systemd's further encroachment.