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Many of the traditional SEO players are now figuring out how to game the system to get their customers to show up more frequently in LLM responses.

Once the pressure to turn a profit is high enough the big players surely won't just leave that money on the table.

The scary part is that even if we end up paying for "ad-free" LLM services how do we really know if it is ad-free? Traditional services are (usually) pretty clear on what is an ad and what isn't. I wouldn't necessarily know if raid shadow legends really is the greatest game of all time or if the model had been tuned to say that it is.


Don't rule out possibility 1.

Sometimes you have to learn how to frame the problem in a way to get the results that you want. These tools need lots of context, not just about the rest of the code base but the problem itself. You can think of it a bit like how the early adopters of high level programming languages had to fight against compilers to get the assembly output that they wanted.

For example, if I tell an LLM to generate a python script that finds the square of a number I might want: def square(x): return x * x

but it may give me: print("Enter a number:") x = int(input()) print("The square is", x * x)

This is a very very simple example but I think it illustrates my point. If you provide enough context to the exact problem you want to solve the results are astronomically better.


Or the ~100% of users who wouldn't understand anything you just wrote will shell out for a premium subscription.


There’s going to be a split between premium and not watching YouTube. I’m not paying something like 2,000$ to per hour of advertising cut from my life.

I might click on a video I find elsewhere, but I’ve basically given up on using the YouTube interface for finding videos.


> but I’ve basically given up on using the YouTube interface for finding videos

Not just you, youtube has as well.


Users don't need to understand an ad blocker to use it either, do they?

That said, the predictable next step would just be for Google to turn on DRM on Youtube videos.


if this (ad injection) goes in and becomes a standard - could they argue it is their form of drm and try to take down sponsorblock with dmca crap?


The out of the box track selection is quite weak. The game depends on community made tracks to make it playable in the long term.


Personal data point, I see their dogs at defense-adjacent trade shows all the time.


Twitch Turbo only has two tangible selling points AFAIK:

1. No ads 2. 90 days to store recordings of your live streams instead of 30 days.

I think if you take out that first selling point no one would buy it.


It used to be $8.99/month. I was a pretty casual twitch viewer and I paid for it then. When they announced the move to 11.99/month I didn't re-up it and I just don't watch twitch now.

Funny how that $3/month was just enough for me to decide it was no longer worth it.


I am a right leaning American who subscribes to the New Yorker. I find a lot of their essays to be surprisingly non-partisan. I especially enjoy the fiction pieces.


I thought this was a joke at first. I guess her story adds up!


Awesome to see you here Ali!

You may or may not remember, but we used to run similar tech YouTube channels as young teenagers and worked on a few videos together. I've been following circleback since you guys were accepted into W24. Congrats on the launch!


No way! It's been so long, would love to catch up.


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