I have HW4, and have tried FSD with every major release.

It works brilliantly, 99.5% of the time. The issue is that the failure mode is catastrophic. Like getting confused with the lane marking and driving off the shoulder. And the complete inability to read construction zone signs (blasting through a 50 KM zone at 100 KM).

I'm deeply skeptical that the current sensor suite and hardware is going to have enough compute power to safely drive without supervision.

It will no doubt improve, but until Tesla steps up and assumes liability for any accident, it's just not "full self driving".

> The issue is that the failure mode is catastrophic.

Given FSD does at least 10x more miles than Waymo, we'd see people getting killed themselves daily. Instead we see tons of videos on Waymo erratic behavior and crashes. Something doesn't add up.

Um, 100% of these Teslas have human drivers behind the wheel, constantly saving themselves, Tesla, and the innocent public from very bad outcomes. Waymos operate autonomously with tens of thousands of miles driven between interventions. Contrast with 13 miles or less with Tesla.

Waymo had safety drivers, it's California law. In Texas safety person is in passenger seat. He can and does intervene.

For the back seats you can order webbing strips from Temu for five bucks. They are easy to spot (bright yellow).

I point them out to any passengers in the back seat.

If you have kids that are likely to pull them ... different story.

Reading the comments on that Fox site is depressing. A lot of hate for Apple, but for the wrong reasons (as in, completely missing the danger of centralized app stores..).

The median age for a Fox News viewer is 69, according to Nielsen.

I think this website overestimates the halo effect Apple garners with the commonfolk.

Most smell of foreign propaganda bots or unhinged political obsessives that I've seen

Well, you have Larry Ellison and Elon doing their best to corner social media - so I think the right wing has it's bases covered.

Or a more likely scenario is that Apple picks up even more market share, and we go from a duopoly to a monopoly.

Well, there is barely any new Android feature worth talking about for the past three years (no, new skins definitely don't count). I seriously doubt there is going to be any change in the market share if Android were controlled by a different company. We would have already seen that by now.

It should be obvious that the thing doing the interpretation and navigation is a human, not an automated system.

i dont have any clue why people keep bringing up automated systems in this discussion. its not relevant. Hypermedia - and REST - is for humans

If you need an http json api for bots to consume, go for it. They are not mutually exclusive.

> Clients can be almost automatic with a HATEOS implementation, because it is a self describing protocol.

That was the theory, but it was never true in practice.

The oft comparisons to the browser really missed the mark. The browser was driven by advanced AI wetware.

Given the advancements in LLMs, it's not even clear that RESTish interfaces would be easier for them to consume (say vs. gRPC, etc.)

Looking at the demo I can see project managers going wild with this. And not in a good way.

Lol, we are keeping READ_ONLY_MODE on for now

It all went to shit when they removed the floppy drive.