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I’m in the market for buying two new fridges for our new house; this post reminded me to filter out Samsung immediately. I LOATHE ads.


  > We'll keep support for MV2 extensions for as long as possible
I can maybe overlook it being based on chromium, but I don't want to migrate to a new browser and have to migrate again when uBlock Origin stops working eventually.

Zen browser is my home currently, I think Arc has broken my ability to move back to traditional tab management.


  ...worse overall experience...
Worse how? RAM, SSD and main board can be upgraded as an when needed, which is the point.

I like Framework's aesthetics more than MacBook already, and like the little customisablity (i.e bezel, mismatched coloured parts etc). I can accept a lower quality screen (compared to MacBook), speakers and camera no problem.

I'm willing to pay higher than MacBook price for the above package due to superiority of Linux over MacOs and supporting this model in general. However, I draw a line in the sand at battery life, so Mac it is for me for the foreseeable future.


  Worse how?
Every major laptop experience. Performance, noise, temperature, trackpad, battery life, size, screen quality, speakers. 2x the price as well.


I don't own a Framework (yet), as I don't believe its the right product for me at this stage. I can't afford to get caught out without battery when out and about.

What attracts me is:

• Easy (self) repairs, especially OEM battery replacements. If I could carry two - three replacements that could be hot swapped, like old times, that would be acceptable too.

• Easy upgrades of RAM and SSD. I had to buy a new MacBook due to it hanging frequently from RAM filling up, even though rest of it would've been fine for at least three more years.

• Ability to make it "your own". Its a minor thing, but a little whimsy is nice in life. I also like the idea of my main machine being a ship of Thesus that stays with me for a long time, and shows marks of age.


Battery life is the only thing stopping me from getting out of the Apple ecosystem. As soon as a viable Linux laptop with "enough" battery life becomes available, I'll make the switch. At that point there's nothing on Apple side that couldn't be done better in Linux (with a bit of work, but that's okay).

I travel a lot, and often on standby for work during that time. I need to be confident that when I pull the laptop out, there's ALWAYS enough juice to respond to a situation immediately without worrying about anything else.

If Framework offered hot swappable batteries, even if a quick restart is required, I'd be fine with that because at least I wouldn't be stranded in that case. And I'd be happy to pay as much as a MacBook, or a bit more even, purely for ideological reasons. Apple's dominance is bad for all of us.


Instead of a hot-swappable battery, why not just carry a large battery-bank that can charge your laptop over USB-C? That way you don't even need to reboot.

Browsing around on Amazon, I see there's actually quite a few battery banks that with over 60W of output, and ~100Wh of capacity for under 100€


I assume for the same reason some people like integrated WWAN modems, it's annoying to have a device dangling off the side


Charging is a lossy process. Charging a battery, then using it to charge another battery isn't as efficient.

Plus, depending on how/where it's used, having to wait for it to recharge while connected to a power bank might be a non-starter. You also don't necessarily want to recharge while transporting in a bag either because of heat concerns.


> why not just carry a large battery-bank

Not being allowed to use those on an airplane could be one reason.


You can use a power bank up to 100Wh on a plane, which can be enough for a laptop


I specifically mentioned under 100Wh because that's the limit for planes.


> why not just carry a large battery-bank

And a mouse, because non apple laptops are hard to use with just the trackpad.

And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop.

... sadly, it means I'll have to stick to Apple hardware for longer. As much as I think Cook is an idiot who's trying to dumb their products down to the point they're not even usable for power users, let alone developers.


> And a mouse, because non apple laptops are hard to use with just the trackpad.

Have you ever used a Framework's trackpad? It's very good.

> And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop.

First of all, Framework laptops are not gaming laptops. Second of all, Framework ships smaller power adapters than Apple because they invested in Gallium Nitride chargers which are significantly more compact than other options.

Personally, I wouldn't even carry around a power bank, I just mentioned it because the person I was talking to said they wanted to carry around a hot-swappable battery, and I thought a power bank was a better option.


> Have you ever used a Framework's trackpad? It's very good.

The hardware is the same in most quality laptops including Apple. It's something they do in the software that makes it far less annoying to go trackpad only on Mac OS.


> And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop.

Not if you get a properly standard-compliant laptop that uses USB PD for charging (like Framework)


I've actually bought a gaming laptop for someone this year. Asus. It comes with a brick proprietary charger that delivers the full power it can use and also with an USB PD that can't fully power it. Guess it works if not gaming, or gaming at reduced fps.


You know this isn't a thread about Asus, right?


Seems to be about the need for large accessories that double the volume and weight of a laptop.


When you say "Apple's dominance", are you referring to a potential dominance?

Because in terms of actual dominance, Apple is far from that in laptops. Lenovo, HP and Dell each sell more laptops than Apple, and those three alone make up 60% of the market.

https://www.industryresearch.biz/market-reports/mobile-compu...


Completely disproportionate, off the charts dominance (relative to everything else I have tried in (mostly hardware, but also software) quality, attention to detail and UI/UX would be my opinion. Power consumption would be part of that.

Granted, I haven't tried most of the newer niche Linux-focused laptops, which I intend to do.


Have to say that UI/UX suffered a lot at least on iOS side with the latest OS releases.


Dominance in power efficiency perhaps.


There's a few things for me, and the saddest part is I'm a very die-hard Linux user. Until a couple months ago when I had to start traveling, I've been using Linux exclusively for work.

1. The battery life, as others have mentioned.

2. The quality of the hardware: The screen is incredibly nice, the trackpad is VERY nice to use, and no other laptop has even come close.

3. It's so quiet. The fans almost never spin unless I've been compiling something for over a minute. I don't know how they do it but any other Linux laptop I've used, including desktops, have been super loud when running similar tasks.


I really haven’t had a problem with my Lemur Pro from System76, which I got in spring of 2022. I did have to replace the battery once when there was noticeable swelling. Prior to this, I had always used a MacBook.


How can LLM inference be done better on non Linux?

I can run models on my 96GB RAM MacBook Pro incredibly well.

As soon as someone tells me how this can be done in Linux, I'm ready to switch.


Just get a power bank for your laptop. I know it’s not the best solution but $100 and you have a battery pack you can use for all your devices


I think you could shut down a framework, swap the battery, and boot back up in probably 3 minutes or maybe only 1.



My first Apple laptop, a Titanium PowerBook, you could sleep the machine and swap the battery and not have to reboot.


Windows ARM laptops are quite good in that regard, but I'm not sure how close they're to Macs.


You are forgetting the touchpad, it does make a difference


This is disappointing from DHH. He tends to carry a lot of criticism online, and based on my exposure to his ideas in long form media, I tend to agree with him more than not. However, in his linked post on this issue, it strikes me as being written by someone whose understanding is largely based emotions evoked by provocative news headlines. But, I'm going to refrain from attempting to psychoanalyse an individual who I know very little about (further than the previous sentence).

OP's post, I think, correctly points out that DHH appears to believe that British == White. Wish he'd be clear on this point, as he's often claimed and indeed has been in the past regarding other issues. Dancing around it shows a lack of respect for the audience and/or a sign of weak conviction.

If you believe in something strongly enough to want to have an impact on its discourse, why not be clear about it? Here's an example of a clear statement regarding this particular issue: "I believe that our country ought to aim for demographics where 80% of the people on our streets look like us [whatever that happens to be]". What's so difficult about that? A clear demand/objective easier to vote on/measure/debate....everyone knows that, then why do the proponents of such ideas always dance around being specific?


If this leads to lower quality videos, due to change in incentives, for certain segments, then I would consider it a WIN for users. For the portion of users for whom the lower quality is not palatable, they will get their time back to spend on other things in life.

This is all completely subjective of course.


Rhetorical: What does it say about America that a large portion of its citizens (assuming OPs feelings are not unique) fear being a victim of genocide? Can't say I've met anyone from any other "developed" nation who share the same dread by simply existing as part of their country.

In other words, the sum total of America's values have resulted in a citizenry that lives with existential dread. Maybe those values need a second look?


My thoughts on this is that genocide has been common outside of America in the last ~100 years and that Americans need to act differently than the rest of the world in an effort to keep it from happening here.


I generally recognise utility of AI, but on this particular point, it has been a net negative if I were to add up the time I wasted by believing a summarised answer, got some length further on given task only to find that the answer was wrong and having to backtrack and redo all that work.


I can’t read any text on homepage with iOS Safari as first few characters/words of each sentence is cut off. Text justification is different on different pages. Vertical spacing and images are uneven across the site. FAQ accordion animation is jittery and the hamburger menu doesn’t open actual menu from any other page other than homepage. Going back to homepage from FAQ page renders homepage in previous state, such as with sidebar open, momentarily before resetting to expected state. Focusing on input on sign in page zooms in on email field, but half of it is off page.

I’m assuming this is work in progress and currently it’s been vibe coded to MVP stage?


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