I'm a recluse myself. Modern society has little to offer to most men that aren't top tier earners, looks etc.
You'll live in some shit tier city because you aren't making enough to move somewhere nice (or can't get a work visa), people around you are aggressive low IQ proles in Europe - always looking to pick fights (see https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1713078/moments-after-photo-of... ), if you aren't an aggressive muscular guy you'll just get some fugly harpy who will "settle" for you. There's just nothing in it for me.
I have been to Japan and the society is fairly autistic. People are polite but want to stay in their own little bubble. You could collapse on the street in Tokyo and nobody would give a shit if you don't block the entrance of a business. In the outskirts of Tokyo people live in bleak housing blocks that already look depressing from far away that make modern condos look like masterpieces.
The society is super hierarchical, with old people being on top and young people earning almost nothing, jobs being hard to come by, guys not getting girlfriends / wifes cause strong independent women don't need no man and socializing with random people outside the internet is highly uncommon as well.
If I was in Japan I would be a recluse as well.
EDIT: Bring on the downvotes. I miss the usenet days where people actually had similar opinions to me and it was still a 99% male space where women were universally hated - long before fuckbook, twatter and young engineered brainwashed by colleges into becoming social justice warriors.
> I have been to Japan and the society is fairly autistic. People are polite but want to stay in their own little bubble. You could collapse on the street in Tokyo and nobody would give a shit if you don't block the entrance of a business.
This might be more of a reflection of living in a large city, rather than being Japanese. In a rural area, you wave to everyone you meet. In a large city - Tokyo, Beijing, Moscow, New York, etc. - your arm would fall off by mid-afternoon.
> a 99% male space where women were universally hated
Funny, I don't remember Usenet as a MRA haven, but perhaps we just visited different newsgroups.
If you want to have an interesting and fun life don't waste your time being bitter. Your bitterness will achieve nothing, because no one is interested in it.
Let me be clear, they are not actively out there hating you because of the views you hold - they just hold no opinion at all about you, one way or the other.
I am not one of those people.
I am glad you are a recluse.
You've made the right choice.
I'm going to have another go at this, because I just realised I did something I hate. I really wanted to make my comment something that could change your mind, rather than just express my displeasure at your opinions - so here goes...
Your statements about how you see the world are very black and white, but the world you are talking about is very very complex, and there are infinite shades of grey. If you went outside and interacted with other people without prejudging the outcome I think that you would have plenty of experiences which do not conform to your expectations of how the world is. I say 'expectations' because I don't think you've attempted to disprove your own assumptions - and I think your assumptions are based not on your own experiences, but on anecdotes from echo chambers (usernet, etc.) (now i'm assuming too much - but you can tell me if i'm wrong).
Maybe you have had some bad personal experiences that lead you to your views on harpy women, proles and aggressively muscular men. I would like to hear what they are.
>I miss the usenet days where people actually had similar opinions to me and it was still a 99% male space where women were universally hated - long before fuckbook, twatter and young engineered brainwashed by colleges into becoming social justice warriors.
Is this a serious statement? I can't imagine someone would be so fragile and yet bold (blind?) enough to post that they miss their safe space while at the same time lambasting that perennial "SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS" boogeyman.
My wife and I visited Tokyo on vacation, and while I agree it seems like people don't care, there were a couple times we were arguing over maps that complete strangers came up and attempted to help with the little English they were able to speak.
We didn't actually need help, and we weren't mad at each other, we just discuss things loudly when we disagree about the best course of action. However, we were touched by their willingness to help out others, even though there was a language barrier. (They didn't know I speak some Japanese.)
So I have to disagree that you won't get any help if you have a problem.
Granted, we didn't visit the "outskirts", and it may very well be different out there, but we were in some non-touristy areas when this stuff happened.
> I'm a recluse myself. Modern society has little to offer to most men that aren't top tier earners, looks etc.
I fully respect that you have figured this out (because you're absolutely not wrong), but have you ever considered trying to become a top-tier male? Like, throw in a serious year or two of hard work, weightlifting, social skills improvement, cooking, grooming, study, wardrobe, etc etc, to see how the other side lives?
It's not "easy", but now I'm just wondering... since you've figured out that modern society has nothing to offer such men, which most men will NEVER truly understand, why not become the opposite?
They obviously are not and can not be or become "top-tier males". That's the objective reality.
They don't want to be part of the system as it has nothing in it for them.
In other words, their existence as part of the system is perceived as miserable as - if not more so - than being outside of it. So why bother trying?
There's very little to no return on investment for their efforts in improving themselves (or being part of the system).
If due to pressing economic circumstances they were forced to work, they would not be any less miserable, perhaps more so.
Ugh, I hate the height excuse. That might be offensive since I'm 6'0, but I know plenty of crazy 'successful' short guys. Is it a disadvantage? Of course. But nothing that can't be worked around.
Glad people like Ronnie James Dio didn't wimp out at their dreams because they weren't tall. But how many Ronnie James Dio's have we not had a chance to enjoy because they thought less of themselves? I hate it.
>I fully respect that you have figured this out (because you're absolutely not wrong), but have you ever considered trying to become a top-tier male?
I don't get anything out of having sex with women I don't like and I generally don't find women to be likeable. Just like most guys I have been looking for love in my 20s just to find out that no such thing exists beyond a mother's love for her children. I look above average and dress above average these days and get a fair amount of unwanted female attention as they apparently love my facial expression of seething contempt for most people.
Thanks for sharing your point of view. Also, sorry that some people are picking on small parts of your comment rather than listening to your overall point, which I think is valid.
I do have one thing to say about housing in Japan. It does look extremely bleak, but I think the looks are deceptive, and much of it is actually of quite a high quality. The way it was explained to me by a Japanese person is that everything is designed with earthquakes in mind. Anything extraneous might fall off in an earthquake. Any decorative features, fancy light fixtures, or signage are excluded.
>You could collapse on the street in Tokyo and nobody would give a shit if you don't block the entrance of a business.
This literally happened when I was visiting Japan and your belief is invalid. My girlfriend fell down the stairs in the Tokyo train station during the rush hour commute and many strangers were concerned for her well being (to the point we had to decline several times being taken to a hospital).
I can't speak to that since it didn't happen to me, but several of those who offered assistance were also women so I'm not sure it was a "shining knight rescues damsel in distress" response.
i was offered help multiple times when standing alone by myself when waiting for something, or someone. i'm an asian male, pretty much indistinguishable from any random japanese guy.
i've been a lot of places and i have a hard time believing that you could fall down in the middle street anywhere on earth and nobody will help you, including new york, shanghai, other megacities.
excepting maybe some extreme examples like communistic societies at the height of the cold war, but that's it.
Just a heads up... Hacker News is not a free speech zone. The slightest negative emotion in a comment will have it either disappear or you banned. Even just writing a vulgar word is risky here. It is absolutely nothing like Usenet. This is the private forum of a Silicon Valley business. It leans more toward the new generation of mobile startup culture than what you're from.
I sympathize with you being rejected after commenting about how you feel rejected. It isn't very fair. The virtual space used to be a refuge for recluses who were ran out of regular society. Physical appearance or health did not factor in because nobody could see you.
But the Internet isn't that place anymore. Now it is dominated by the same competitions. To get favorable treatment here you need to be beautiful or wealthy. If your account was "pg" you could write this and anything else and it would be voted to the top.
Sorry. You have an ugly personality, and it requires special compassion for anyone to not reject that. Not everyone knows what it feels like to be rejected and how it can push you further into ugliness. I don't have any solutions for that, just wanted to let you know someone out there recognizes the pain.
> But the Internet isn't that place anymore. Now it is dominated by the same competitions. To get favorable treatment here you need to be beautiful or wealthy.
I disagree; The internet is not one big homogenous blob.
> You have an ugly personality, and it requires special compassion for anyone to not reject that
I do agree with your assessment, but it seems that unimportant is actively working towards being rejected. Instead of trying to improve himself, he's happily playing the role of the reject, blaming society and "harpies" or whatever on all his woes.
I'm sure there are people whose instinct is to find the goodness inside folks like him, and god bless 'em - but it ain't me. When someone flings shit at my feet, I don't dig through it to see if they swallowed a diamond.
> To get favorable treatment here you need to be beautiful or wealthy.
Or just well spoken and reasonable? Sure well known celebs of the tech industry do perhaps get the "favorable treatment" of extra upvotes. But people aren't participating in these discussions just to get "favorable treatment", they're doing it for the intellectually engaging environment, the quality of which is a result of trading off some amount of unmitigated free speech
And it's not like dissenting opinions get flagged or even downvoted to oblivion - the grandparent isn't gray, for example. Only noise, hate speech and misinformation gets that treatment. In fact I'd argue that grandparent maybe should be, since he's citing a universal hatred of women as a positive value in a community - so I think it's still a lot closer to Usenet than you claim.
It's not that simple--if you express negative emotion such as sadness and melancholy, it's easy to find support here. However if you use that negative emotion as a springboard for resentment, grudges, and generalized hate, as OP has, you won't find a good reception.
I feel you're bitter about the anti-male sentiment that is rampant in our society and sadly, now also the internet. Rest assured, there are plenty of people who can value you as a person and a man. People with common sense who don't care about SJW stuff but instead just want to have fruitful interactions with other people. Don't let the negativity of people on the internet affect you.
> People with common sense who don't care about SJW stuff but instead just want to have fruitful interactions with other people.
Funny, when he himself isn't interested in fruitful interactions with other people - at least, not those people who happen to be women, or men who don't hate women.
Pretty sure that's only a defense mechanism and bitterness from past experiences speaking. Let's be frank: He would love to have fruitful interactions and if literally nobody makes a first step to get him out of there, he will be denied this opportunity forever.
It's usually futile trying to point out the hypocrisy of using "SJW" as a pejorative - people who use it thus tend to be several steps beyond the point of apprehending or caring about the linguistic dissonance.
Basically it comes down to her not feeling comfortable being around a majority of whites and asians and she feels that she has to change her whole personality just s others like her more.
She also prefers to be around blacks, preferably black women.
This has little to do with Google though.
Google is rather corporate and thus it's only for people willing to adapt a corporate personality during the day - often in combination with a rather conservative physical appearance.
Cornrows and overly casual probably wouldn't fly too well in the head office, no matter if you're black, white or asian.
For relocation costs, those are deductible from your (Federal) taxes under certain circumstances (something like, if you move more than X miles to be closer to a job). If it is just a bonus that is just taxable income.
In the US, if they gave you $1000 straight-up for moving costs, you'd probably see something like:
1. Company gives you $1000.
2. $750 hits your bank account after withholding.
3. You spend $1000 to move.
4. You file taxes, claim $1000 deduction for moving expenses.
5. You receive $250 refund.
I used to work as at Google and it was my worst job ever.
It was not for Google directly though, but via a temp agency for a Google project.
Google rented an office building just for the project with temp agency HR on site and a few Googlers that were mostly in management and supervising things.
Contracts were structured in a way to avoid having to pay benefits and to be able to maximize pressure on the the employee with extremely short notice periods.
The turnover was enormous, almost everyone hated working there and 30-40% of the employees were reminded weekly by HR that they're on probation and will get fired if their performance isn't better next week.
I am sorry you had this experience, but I would argue that this isn't the same as working for actual Google. This jives with other accounts I've read from contractors (and I think I read somewhere that about 35% of staff are contractors at this point, but that seems really, really high).
>Of course, creating “good jobs” entails costs. Managed by Q’s workers get an “above market” wage, plus full medical benefits. “They are the same benefits that our programmers and engineers get,” Mr. Rahmanian said, because “we didn’t want to create a company that had a divide between people that worked in headquarters and the others.”
That's just common sense. If you pay the same salary that some outsourcer pays you're looking at a high turnover that will be more of a headache and cost factor than 3-4k extra a year above the average wage for someone in customer support for example (which is a tiny amount compared to engineer salaries anyway).
>Munchery, a dinner delivery service, pays drivers a base wage that exceeds the minimum wage, plus their driving expenses, plus tips. Taken together, it comes out to about $23 an hour in San Francisco, far higher than most other delivery jobs. Those who work more than 30 hours a week also get health and retirement benefits.
I don't know about Munchery and will give them the benefit of a doubt, but usually companies that offer full benefits for 30+ hours (don't they legally have to do this anyway in SF?), they just cut anyone off at 29 hours.
Also the "taken together" "wage" is highly misleading if it includes costs of gas and all the other expenses that one has to pay for a car, in a city where one doesn't even necessarily have to own one.
Basically the whole story is about common sense, as min wage or slightly above contractors obviously don't tend to be very loyal or excited about their work beyond lip service, as pretty much anyone doesn't see this as a long term situation and will just switch to the next best thing whenever possible.
Employment contracts on the other hand come with notice periods, non compete etc. that will make switching jobs a lot more of a hassle and make anyone think twice if they really want to do it.
Has anyone ever seen a non-compete clause on service jobs like delivery car driver or cleaners? Just curious, that would take the thing to a whole other level.
Reading that post, about halfway through you find that the judge decided they simply had no standing to challenge the NC in another case about JJ shorting wages or underpaying hours, the judge did not rule on its validity.
Memorize the 2000 or so most common words via spaced repetition with Anki or Super Memo using pictures.
Learn the grammar.
Start reading simple books / websites about stuff that interests you, accompanied with a dictionary website, as you'll need to look up a shitload of words.
Once you can read well enough, interact with people via forums or web chats in the language, which will improve your skills further.
If you want to sound like a native you'll need lots of speaking practice until your brain adapts.
Some people will sound like Arnold Schwarzenegger for life though.
This could be an entire discussion on it's own :) , if you are in the U.K. then see what Crossrail is doing to property development and prices. Wherever a building/construction company find's permission to build, they are building blocks of flats. That should have an expected outcome of price dilution due to availability BUT doesn't seem like that's happening. The worse thing I fear that may happen is that areas which have houses at the moment may start converting into areas with flats. There already are more than one examples of that happening in the area I live. Decent areas of London are out anybody's price range. Too many straight out cash buyers wanting to park their monies :-/
The older I get, the more merit I see in a back to nature lifestyle, but that's a personal choice and killing people to stop technological progress is delusional.
You'll live in some shit tier city because you aren't making enough to move somewhere nice (or can't get a work visa), people around you are aggressive low IQ proles in Europe - always looking to pick fights (see https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1713078/moments-after-photo-of... ), if you aren't an aggressive muscular guy you'll just get some fugly harpy who will "settle" for you. There's just nothing in it for me.
I have been to Japan and the society is fairly autistic. People are polite but want to stay in their own little bubble. You could collapse on the street in Tokyo and nobody would give a shit if you don't block the entrance of a business. In the outskirts of Tokyo people live in bleak housing blocks that already look depressing from far away that make modern condos look like masterpieces.
Think this ten times the size: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Cwmbran_...
The society is super hierarchical, with old people being on top and young people earning almost nothing, jobs being hard to come by, guys not getting girlfriends / wifes cause strong independent women don't need no man and socializing with random people outside the internet is highly uncommon as well.
If I was in Japan I would be a recluse as well.
EDIT: Bring on the downvotes. I miss the usenet days where people actually had similar opinions to me and it was still a 99% male space where women were universally hated - long before fuckbook, twatter and young engineered brainwashed by colleges into becoming social justice warriors.