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> I feel strongly about this, mostly because it happened to myself: After being sold, the first company that employed me introduced a "completely fair and transparent" compensation scheme. After I saw the scheme projected to the wall in the big All-Hands, I realized that without any degree I'd have to wait 10 years for stock options while the PhDs would be in almost immediately.

I also am a tech worker with no tech degree (no math, CS, eng, etc).

Pay transparency would be run by administrators inside businesses that would likely implement something as you describe: "So-and-so just graduated cum laude from X with a degree in Y therefore they're at pay band Z."

It will be horrible for people who had to self-educate.


It doesn't matter. The degrees are just signifiers to denote a class of people you aren't in. If it weren't for the titles you would be excluded on some other grounds.

I mean, there are modern professions still using medieval terms for this (esquire?)


I've been seeing this posted in a few threads and in my experience it's plain wrong. When I'm interviewing candidates I don't care about the degree at all.

RCNTX: Either you interview and make hiring decisions, and the behavior you're describing is in fact your own, or you have never actually hired anyone and are speculating. Which is it?


So once you see that (WHICH IS WHAT IS ALREADY GOING ON) then you can shop somewhere else.

Its really weird to see this offered as a negative of transparency, when it is an example of transparency working.


I'm pretty sympathetic. More transparency means that class based lobbying will be easier, so we should expect the more powerful classes, like the credentialists, to win out and get themselves higher pay.


If it causes the "lower classes" to leave though you can wind up with a pile of PhDs that don't have practical knowledge and don't know how to produce anything actually useful.


Who's to say they're not doing that already and just not telling you? At least this way there's no denying the company one's working for doesn't value them more than they value empty credentials. You can find another employer who doesn't play those games.


I like crypto, but damn it's inefficient and costly.

Even the crypto that's newer than Bitcoin (all of it?) and therefore more efficient (not proof-of-work/stake?) is still not efficient in cost/time/other-resources/etc.


>inefficient and costly

That is the best part of today's blockchains - huge space for improvements! I don't see the same opportunity in centralized services/protocols which are kind of "done" and control by few big tech companies with so many resources, which they use to keep that control.


Agreed.

But I think big tech didn't use their power years ago when advertisers started demanding their ads don't appear next to X, where X is the offensive thing/position/etc.

Big tech has power but it folded and immediately started policing when this happened. Instead of a united front each of them caved to advertisers and now the content on each platform must be kosher according to the ethics that the platforms' rulers have.


Big tech never had that power versus advertisers. There's no possible scenario where major mass market advertisers like Coca-Cola or Toyota would ever tolerate having their ads displayed on highly offensive content, like say a Facebook group for white supremacists. If the social media companies hadn't imposed stricter content censorship then the advertisers would have simply dropped those channels to protect their brand images.


Sounds like he believed in The Sapir–Whorf hypothesis:

> The hypothesis of linguistic relativity, also known as the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis /səˌpɪər ˈwɔːrf/, the Whorf hypothesis, or Whorfianism, is a principle suggesting that the structure of a language affects its speakers' worldview or cognition, and thus people's perceptions are relative to their spoken language.

> Linguistic determinism is the concept that language and its structures limit and determine human knowledge or thought, as well as thought processes such as categorization, memory, and perception.


> A good first step would be to stand aside and let ICC prosecute, which even actual pardons would not block.

Who would they prosecute? Obama or Bush?

It seems like the implication people have when talking about this is that the CIA agents or CIA directors should be charged.

From my perspective, would they have done any of these illegal activities if they hadn't been given the green-light from the top?

If Bush/Obama said we will let the ICC prosecute, would any CIA agent/director have done it? Probably not.

I'm not disagreeing about prosecution, I'm just wondering where the buck stops and where the true responsibility lies.


We need no buck. "Following orders" is not an excuse. So, everybody up and down the line who knew they were involved in illegal activity is guilty of that, and also of conspiracy. Many are also guilty of obstruction of justice, which is normally punished more harshly than the crime covered up.

Obama halted the torture program, but could be prosecuted for other crimes involving use of drone strikes on civilians, along with underlings who organized or performed the strikes.


> I wouldn't recommend either if you haven't read Dune, book 1, though. Read it.

Why is that? I read Dune when I was a kid but don't remember the particulars -- do I need them for some reason?


Feels more like a statement about make sure you read Dune before reading anything else, than about content.


Two possibilities (among many):

1. Denis Villeneuve's Dune comes out this fall, and from the trailers looks to be amazingly well done.

2. Dune is a touchstone book in science fiction. Many of the works in later generations contain passing references to it, and it has remained important and relevant since its release.


precisely!


Possibly because the Movie is coming out October 22nd: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1160419/

I read it again for the first time in years last month and enjoyed it all over again. I red the children of dune sequel as well.


To be honest I don't pay attention to my paychecks. I work in Silicon Valley and have things direct deposited into my bank account, which I never check.

Theoretically, my current (and past) employers could have left out a dozen paychecks and I may not have noticed.

I don't think it's that unusual. If he doesn't have any money in his bank account it may be more noticeable.


Don't you have any notifications for transfers? People could steal your identity or card details and you wouldn't even notice?


what is the relevance of working in Silicon Valley?


I think GP thinks it is more polite than saying “I’m so rich, I don’t even know if I get paid.” But I don’t think so and seems pretty cringy.


There was a post written a while ago by someone saying what it was like to be poor when they got their first job in SV. One of the exact points was that they had colleagues who didn't really mind if they missed a couple of months of salary... they wouldn't notice as they had no need to look. Just like GP. It was totally incomprehensible for her, as someone who had to live paycheck to paycheck.

My only real response to this kind of humblebrag is... good for you!?


Yeah, I’m not offended or anything. Good for GGP and whatnot, just trying to explain.

It was funny working with some people who didn’t really need the money. It was/is always an alien concept for me. We had a cool startup we were working with and they were in “stealth mode” for two years without any revenue or funding, just working without any income. Must be nice.


> My only real response to this kind of humblebrag

"Humble"?


(Semi-)Obliquely bragging about how much one is paid, AFAICS.


> Picture tech people walking on their treadmills for compensation and then picture gerbils running on wheels for food. Picture tech people drinking Soylent and then picture gerbils eating pellets. The world is whack.

A bit much? I'm not sure where you get soylent from.

Nobody is substituting here, I didn't get that from the OP at all.

Another commenter mentioned that working from home allows for asynchronous tasks, the OP merely stated that means he can work and work-out on a treadmill. He is neither being compensated for or replacing going out into nature.


Haha I just finally splurged on that $0.99/mo iCloud storage, after just not backing up my phone forever :/


Yes, definitely.

The tech company I work for was all SF based for it's engineering. Now they're open to hiring from anywhere.

They haven't entirely committed to hybrid/remote. They have however expanded beyond the Bay Area based on their experiences during covid. And that's meant new offices in the Philippines and Mexico City.


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