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Can you disclose which European cloud provider you chose?


We went with Hetzner as we already had good experiences with their VPSes. For this particular db migration, a resonably sized VPS with volumes does the job for us. We don't have planet scale operations so the lowish IOPS is not an issue atm. Also, with this experience at hand, I am confident that we'll manage another migration if need be.


Did the exact same thing for a client who's ops we managed on AWS. I was pretty against ditching RDS and a load balanced setup for hetzners load balancer and 3 instances (2 web, 1 db) but honestly, it's been pretty smooth sailing. The sites faster, and costs dropped massively, saving the client approx €900/mo for a better service.


Afaik Hetzner has a couple of server locations in the USA. Is it correct to say that Hetzner has to comply to US CLOUD Act and therefore give away any data requested?


Depends on which data center you're hosted.

The one under US jurisdiction operated by Hetzner US LLC must comply, while the German ones are operating under the GDPR, which has extraterritorial clauses can can deny or challenge the request.


It's not that guaranteed.

The reality is that if you have any interest, company or employees in the US you can be coerced to do anything the US government wants.

Either legally through courts, or through business influence, or through harassment (e.g. hardcore checks from the IRS).

Sorry, Stripe rejects you now because you are high-risk (you have to explain why you refuse to help in criminal cases, though there is a court requesting you).

You don't like to comply to US requests and protect terrorists ?

https://support.stripe.com/questions/how-to-resolve-blocks-o...

Still don't comply ?

You are added to sanctions list, end of the game.

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0185

Even Microsoft acknowledges that these cross-border requests cannot be avoided.

https://www.convotis.com/es/en/news/microsoft-access-eu-data

The same way that EU can force fetching data from the US entity.

Now on the EU side:

GDPR fine of 4% of your worldwide income. Well, too bad, your US entity refused, we will have to punish your EU entity very strongly.

If small provider, oh right you refuse ? Well, we will notify your bank that you do not respect the court orders, etc.

The law is one of the way of enforcement, but there are multiple stages of pressure.

Still refuse ? Well, let's come to you at 6am then.

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/07/10/57...


Any company opting for building digital sovereign systems should build a redundant and decentralized organization so that in worst case the company can split up its operations geographically to avoid being in the crosshairs of any host countries government.


Absolutely, but imagine, Zuckerberg creates a new company:

    "Storm" -> "the European end to end encrypted privacy-conscious messenger app"
Now, an US court, requests data from that project to protect an imminent attack where people are going to die.

He refuses, his company refuses, everybody refuses.

Do you think he can evade US justice even if the company is incorporated in the EU ?

Collaborating is the path of least resistance, and as long as you can claim somewhat "we didn't have any choice, we were coerced" then you are fine. This is also why Apple, Google, Meta, NordVPN, etc, are all collaborating with the infamous FBI DITU group.


There are EU alternatives to Stripe.

I know what you meant, but I think that there are alternatives, even if they are maybe not as good as the ones made in US.

Also, if the goal is to go all in on data sovereignty, so be it - put the companies in the sanctions list. It will only grow.


> Also, if the goal is to go all in on data sovereignty,

maybe start with DE-CIX ? (or other internet nodes)


do you use FDE on your hetzner instances? I couldn't find a guarantee that they properly dispose of block storage so I ended up developing a utility for this https://github.com/mvelbaum/hetzner-fde-toolkit


OVH in my case


Could the problem with the damaged brand be a reason why Apple is so keen on becoming a "privacy-as-a-service"-company?


On one hand it is mostly bull. Apple has the benefit of having a “strategy credit” since selling user data is not part of its business model.

But on the other hand, I can’t help but think that a gay CEO who grew up in Alabama really cares about privacy.


I think Apple is doing that because they’re out of growth otherwise. They’ve sold most all the iPads and iPhones and Macs they can. The numbers may go up but nothing like when the iPhone was still growing.

Services is the only part of the business that may have more than small growth levels left in it.


No. Apple cares about privacy and security because it wants to become a bank and payment processor. It had/has so much liquid capital it just makes sense. They've been moving that way ever since 2013 or so. All the concentration on security is so that their phones can be payment terminals and Apple can seek rent.


One viewpoint is that the USA are a crutch to the rest of the world.

Another viewpoint would be that this is based on self-interest.

The USA bombing Iraq because Hussein wanted to sell oil in another currency other than the USD and leaving the so called rest of the world with the humantarian crisis would be one counter example to the crutch-theory.


You're on the right track, but the reason you gave for invading Iraq is very naive. Research "Project for the New American Century", whose founders were very high up in the GW Bush administration. You'll see that the strategies they outlined in 1997 plays out quite well. Toppling Iran has yet to happen, but Syria and Iraq have gone according to plan.


From my perspective it has become a symbiotic relationship. The U.S. maintains the Pax Americana at great financial expense but does so for the benefits it provides. It’s not an altruistic act. Europe and Japan get benefits too. One of the benefits for Europeans is that they get to avoid the messy moral situations that come from wielding such power. Go back to the mess in former Yugoslavia in the 90s to see how the Europeans made a mess of things trying solve it on their own. I don’t want to get into a debate on the merits o that intervention but the situation wasn’t resolved to the liking of the UK, France, Germany, etc. until the U.S. got involved.


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Yes, among a host of other things. Churchill said the world must be made safe for democracy while denying freedom to India. Great power is very corrupting.


It's definitely a two way street, but there's less incentive now for the US to stay involved. We're a net petroleum exporter now, Texas of all places is adopting renewables like crazy (proving their viability), highly autonomous and mechanized manufacturing is almost comparable to outsourced production and we don't need soyuz for space launches (soon).

All of that combined, plus the growing need to address our own impoverished parts of the country is making a lot of people in the US think it's time to let Europe do it's own thing.


You can watch this video of Obama calling Trump names already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ54GDm1eL0 Those times have already begun.


craftworks | Full-Stack Developer | Vienna, Austria | ONSITE | https://craftworks.at

craftworks is a software development and machine learning company based in Vienna, Austria.

We are a team of 15 people (mostly software engineers & data scientists) and looking for a full-stack software engineer. Our techstack is Java (Spring Boot), AngularJS, PostgreSQL. If you are better on the frontend- or backend-side of things, please don't hesitate contacting us also. We have the craftworks Academy and will assist you in expanding your skills.

We would love to hear from you, show you our projects and get to know you! More information here: https://craftworks.at/working-at-craftworks/

Please send us an email to jobs@craftworks.at and get in touch with us!


craftworks | Full-Stack Developer | Vienna, Austria | ONSITE | www.craftworks.at

craftworks is a software development and machine learning company based in Vienna, Austria.

We are a team of 15 people (mostly software engineers & data scientists) and looking for a full-stack software engineer. Our techstack is Java (Spring Boot), Python, AngularJS, PostgreSQL. If you are better on the frontend- or backend-side of things, please don't hesitate contacting us also. We have internal training programs and will assist you in expanding your skills.

We would love to hear from you, show you our projects and get to know you! More information here: https://craftworks.at/working-at-craftworks/

Please send us an email to jobs@craftworks.at and get in touch with us!


simon at craftworks dot at


craftworks GmbH | Vienna | DevOps-Engineer | Full-Time | ONSITE | https://craftworks.at

craftworks is a software and artificial intelligence company based in Vienna, Austria. We develop individual big data solutions in areas such as Predictive Maintenance, Natural Language Processing and Data Analytics.

We are looking for a DevOps-Engineer with:

- Considerable experience in developing web applications (preferred Java)

- Considerable experience with Linux, Docker, Software-Build-Pipelines, IT operations and CI/CD - Tools (e.g. Jenkins)

- Experience in connecting and scaling different technologies (e.g. with the Apache Stack)

- A strong grasp of automation tools

- Experience in building and running applications using the Apache Stack (Hadoop, Spark, ...)

- An open, collaborative and approachable personality and the desire to be an active contributor to the team

- Eager to learn and grow on new challenges

We offer:

- Flexible working hours and the option to work remote

- Equipment of your choice

- The possibility and the budget to constantly develop and further extend and widen your skillset

- Participation in hackathons all over Europe

- Subsidies for daily lunches and child care

- Nice office in the heart of Vienna

Please send us an email to jobs@craftworks.at!


I have been in the exact same position as you are. If you want to share experiences and learnings or simply talk about stuff, feel free to get in touch with me (mail in hn profile).


craftworks | Full-Stack Engineer | Vienna, Austria | ONSITE www.craftworks.at

craftworks is a software development and machine learning company based in Vienna, Austria.

We are a team of 10 people (mostly software engineers) and looking for a full-stack software engineer. Our techstack is Java (Spring Boot), Python, AngularJS, PostgreSQL. If you are better on the frontend- or backend-side of things, please don't hesitate contacting us also. We have internal training programs and will assist you in expanding your skills.

We would love to hear from you, show you our projects and get to know you! More information here: https://craftworks.at/working-at-craftworks/

Please send us an email to jobs@craftworks.at and get in touch with us!


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