I am one plugin away from moving to it directly instead of vscode. I really like it. It’s fast. It gets updates seemingly daily. I’ve never had it crash. It integrates LLMs well. It’s everything I wish vscode was if it were native.
I used to feel this way, then a week or two ago, after an automatic update, it started hanging. All. The. Time for me. Launching the app now frequently takes 30 seconds before it shows me the “load a git repo” screen.
Speed was its main advantage, before. It has become nearly unusable.
The price of extraordinarily rapid iteration, I suppose.
I installed Zed a few days ago and have been trying to get acquainted myself.
It has far less built-in features for refactoring than other editors you might be coming from. It's handled at the LSP level, get the LSP for your language and hit cmd+ to see what it can do. I'm not working in Python or Rust at the moment (Elixir), but I'm sure they have some good extensions.
I don't get the question. albeit in vim I use just the navigation things and selectors and s/../.. to replace stuff I am probably using something like 1% of it's power.
I'm asking how to move a function, or class to a different module (including its methods, imports throughout the project etc), as an example of IDE-101 stuff I can't figure out how to do in Zed, and makes me think Zed might [i]not[/i] be a replacement.
That’s a code intellisense feature set, not part of the core set of an editor. Especially when you have dynamic module loading. An IDE only focus on a few languages and it makes sense for them to have that capability.
With the kind of editor Zed is, just like VSCode and Sublime, it's not goong to provide that function natively. The mechanics of moving functions between class/modules/packages/whatever are too different language to language. So you'll need to rely on LSP plugins for the different languages.
Or you could always use an actual IDE, but those are usually more language specific.
i dont use jetbrains products but you can map the command palette or the file search to double shift and have it function the same way. zed supports key chords for bindings perfectly well. just do "shift shift" and it should work
> that is why carpenters are still around and no one buys Ikea
The irony in this statement is hilarious, and perfectly sums up the reality of the situation IMO.
For anyone who doesn't understand the irony: a carpenter is someone who makes things like houses, out of wood. They absolutely still fucking exist.
Industrialised furniture such as IKEA sells has reduced the reliance on a workforce of cabinet makers - people who make furniture using joinery.
Now if you want to go ask a carpenter to make you a table he can probably make one, but it's going to look like construction lumber nailed together. Which is also quite a coincidence when you consider the results of asking spicy autocomplete to do anything more complex than auto-complete a half-written line of code.
> I think you have misunderstood what a carpenter is. A carpenter is someone who makes wooden furniture (among other things).
I think _you_ have misunderstood what a carpenter is. At least where I live, you might get a carpenter to erect the wood framing for a house. Or build a wooden staircase. Or erect a drywall. I'm sure most carpenters worth their salt could plausibly also make wooden furniture, at an exorbitant cost, but it's not at all what they do.
I sanity checked with Wiktionary, and it agrees: "A person skilled at carpentry, the trade of cutting and joining timber in order to construct buildings or other structures."
These guys made one of the most amazing tables for someone I know: https://rustictradesfurniture.com/. If you said "you're not a carpenter because you aren't slapping 2x4s together", you'd get a wry chuckle that means 'who is this idiot'.
> Yeah, that is why carpenters are still around and no one buys Ikea.
I'm sorry, what? Are you suggesting that Ikea made carpenters obsolete? It's been less than 6 months since last I had a professional carpenter do work in my house. He seemed very real. And charged very real prices. This despite the fact that I've got lots of Ikea stuff.
> Compared to before, not a lot of carpenters/furniture makers are left.
Which is it? Carpenters or furniture makers? Because the two have nothing in common beyond the fact that both professions primarily work with wood. The former has been unaffected by automation – or even might plausibly have more demand due to the overall economic activity caused by automation! The latter certainly has been greatly affected.
The fact that people all over the thread are mixing up the two is mindboggling. Is there a language issue or something?
There is a language issue: carpenter is used as synonym of woodworker. It's like someone who doesn't know anything about computers using the term 'memory' to mean storage rather than working memory (i.e. RAM).
Nah, IKEA has replaced moving furniture with throwing it away and rebuying it. Prior to IKEA hiring a carpenter was also something that is done a few times in a lifetime/century. If anything it has commodized creating new furniture.
Eventually yes, when incapable becomes a synonymous with finding a job in an AI dominated software factory industry.
Enterprise CMS deployment projects have already dropped amount of assets teams, translators, integration teams, backend devs, replaced by a mix of AI, SaaS and iPaaS tools.
Now the teams are a fraction of the size they used to be like five years ago.
Fear not, there will be always a place for the few ones that can invert a tree, calculate how many golf balls fit into a plane, and are elected to work at the AI dungeons as the new druids.
While I don't share this cynical worldview, I am mildly amused by the concept of a future where, Warhammer 40,000 style, us code monkeys get replaced by tech priests who appease the machine gods by burning incense and invoking hymns.
Same for ERP/CRM/HRM and some financial systems ; all systems that were heavy 'no-code' (or a lot of configuration with knobs and switches rather than code) before AI are now just going to lose their programmers (and the other roles); the business logic / financial calcs etc were already done by other people upfront in excel, visio etc ; now you can just throw that into Claude Code. These systems have decades of rigid code practices so there is not a lot of architecting/design to be done in the first place.
Nick Offerman wants to have a word with you. Given the choice of building my own furniture and things or IKEA and I had the skills I’d go the build it myself route. It’s doable. It was before. And it still is. All we got now is super duper capable auto correct and text completion. Use it for what it is. Don’t let it replace you.
The staff data engineer I work with refuses to do them. Most companies just continue with the interview process after that. I never knew that was an option. lol
Probably because I’m not at his level yet but yeah I don’t care for them now. Let me do your dumb leet code questions and let me go back to my day.
What more concerning than the lawsuit is they have all the money in the world and can’t execute on getting Siri working right. That is not a good predictor for how well engineering is at Apple. :/
It's possible they're being conservative because whatever they launch they're going to be stuck with for a very long time. Things are shifting so quickly in the space that they could very well launch the greatest horse and buggy today, and next week everyone's shipping fusion-powered teleportation devices.
Then again it's very possible they are just flailing. I don't have strong beliefs either way.
Yeah you could be right. We never know. Though that they haven’t built out their own mega data centers means they are basically having to use models from the others. I think they should just buy Anthropic. Too late now that they awarded Siri to Gemini but idk I hope they pull this off cuz I love my iPhone.
Apple won't ever allow anyone else to own and control their core technologies (as we saw with Google Maps back in the day). We can safely assume their deal with Gemini is for Google to sell them a model-as-a-service component that can be swapped out at any moment, with either another model like Claude, or with Apple's own future models.
I would say Apple's original exclusivity deal w/ AT&T shows they're comfortable letting a 3rd party control some of the user experience if that's the only way they can get to market.
Sure, but that same deal was also unprecedented in how much less control the carrier got, and marked the beginning of the end for carriers owning the user experience on phones.
Define what “working right” means? I think that’s the core of the issue with rolling out Siri as an LLM. People trust answers that Siri gives them. LLMs hallucinate… that a problem. To me, a hallucination means something isn’t working right. That’s not just an Apple problem, it’s an industry problem that everyone mostly tries to whitewash.
Boris! Unrelated but thank you and the Anthropic team for Claude code. It’s awesome. I use it every day. No complaints. You all just keep shipping useful little UX things all the time. It must be because it’s being dogfooded internally. Kudos again to the team!
Meh. Glad he and Alan Dye are gone. They would have ruined the Apple car. Appel should instead replace their entire design team with the folks from teenage engineering.
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