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Being rude is not effortless, it requires someone spending significant amount of energy on you

And most people who wronged me were never really rude to me. So i don't even use someone's rudeness as filter for anything.


I've built many successful services by listening to entitled users so much that I used to talk with such entitled users all day.

They are just passionate and most of the times annoyed because something as simple is not being done right.


If those "many successful services" are FOSS, you are a very rare breed of developers - one I have not yet encountered in almost 30 years of FOSS development.

Could you please link some of your projects? I could use some inspiration how to deal with entitled FOSS users who do not understand that they already got much more than what they paid for.


I don't think you've done any of that - at least not for a successful open source project. The topic here is about open source volunteers and not your day job.

I built businesses not opensource projects.

Though many of my projects are completely free for the users.

Latest being this one already past 1000+ active users https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.macrocodex...

If you don't listen to your passionate users, i doubt you'll ever grow.

Someone being rude/entitled doesn't matter to me, I only care about if what they are saying actually makes any sense


Don't take it personally but the people here are talking about open source projects and unpaid work in their free spare time. There is zero value you could share in this thread from your experiences on developing closed source business products because it completely misses the topic of volunteer work.

Ehm... no? It's not zero value?

He's making a general point about "regardless of how something is presented to you, at the end of the day you have to look at the actual information, and if there is some truth in it, then it would be illogical to dismiss it".


at the end of the day you have to look at the actual information, and if there is some truth in it, then it would be illogical to dismiss it

sure, but the amount of nonsense (to avoid the b-word) i am willing to put up with depends on the amount of money i expect to make from the project. for unpaid work that amount is zero. if i am investing my free time and i allow you to benefit from it, you better be nice when you talk to me.

when i run a business then the information gained potentially makes my product sell better. for a volunteer project i may not care about popularity, so the information gained is not necessarily of any benefit.


Oh, how couldn't i see this. The author also did this and he concluded "OK." right before clicking on the "Archive Project" Button.

I will listen to a rude paying customer if I must, because my income will be tied to it. If a similar paying customer comes and they are better behaved, the rude customer will take second position.

On an open source project that I’m doing for my own enjoyment rude people are not welcome. I’m doing that for my own enjoyment - to decompress after dealing with rude people. Close issue, won’t fix, ban free user.


incredible jugaad saaaaar!!!!

++ izzat!!!


> They are just passionate and most of the times annoyed because something as simple is not being done right.

No, this is not adequate justification for such behavior towards volunteer FOSS maintainers.


It isn't justification for being rude. But just because someone is being rude doesn't mean what they are complaining about isn't an issue.

> They are just passionate and most of the times annoyed because something as simple is not being done right.

I don't think this is the case at all. You are commenting in a discussion on how a maintainer of an unstable project which very clearly and unambiguously only targets and supports a specific version of a runtime. Still, said maintainer is being pestered by entitled users who attack the maintainer and how they chose to invest their free time contributing to the project with accusations of being "insane".

This is not "passion". This is sheer entitlement, and abuse on top.

If this was passion, you'd see users contributing their work with proposals to post releases. Even very low effort things like forking the repo and posting their custom releases would be infinitely more productive. You know, the core of FLOSS.

But no. You have someone doing their best generously contributing their time to provide something to the public, and in return they get insults and abuse.

No wonder projects get archived.


What successful services have you built because of entitled users?

I had AI write Haskell for me and it did that beautifully. I am not sure why would LISP be any sudden.

Same experience. I like Haskell a lot but I am not great at Haskell programming. LLM based coding agents are useful for helping with runtime errors, library versions, etc. (and as other people here have said, for tedious stuff like cleaning up Emacs customizations, etc.)

Most of the startups were flawed ideas according to vast majority, this is why success is rare.

You cannot know which solution will succeed, there are many stupid solutions with commerical success while many brilliant solutions without success.

Thinking you can guess what is going to succeed or not going to succeed is dunning kruger.


Predicting success is tough.

Some failures are not hard to predict. Politics is full of bad ideas that should’ve been shot down early.


I've a busy app, i just deploy to canary. And use loadbalancer to move 5% traffic to it, i observe how it reacts and then rollout the canary changes to all.

how hard and complex is it to roll out postgres?


Not hard at all - geerlingguy has a great Ansible role and there are a metric crapton of guides pre-AI/2022 that cover gardening.

tailscale offers many good things.

for example "tailscale" drop for free, share files between devices on your network

also https://tailscale.com/docs/features/tailscale-funnel which is cloudflare tunnel alternative, no more localtunnel or other things

so i am not surprized people like it as product, most good features are free.


Had very high hopes for tailscale drop but it’s worked literally once of the 7 times I tried to use it before I stopped trying.

Mostly machines on the same network.


yesterday i setup tailscale on a gcp VM.

i enabled route advertising and managed to ping my google cloud instances using tailscale

problem is the packet loss rate is high. SSH tunnel worked!

soo i think there is something wrong with tailscale


I thought they acquire the pirate bay.

Same can be said for java, yet google own android.

This time it's different.

Linux was already stable enough 10 years ago as daily driver, i used Arch.

everything worked just fine, i remember only having issue with graphic drivers and glitches

I never really wanted anything more from it but when i moved to Mac, i saw how it prevents me from opening apps i downloaded from trusted site and every now and then i need to set xattr to open the files, and go through bunch of lockdowns.

Now freecad has improved so much, with all AI coding and all opensource will improve DRASTICALLY and very fast.

using AI which stole everyone's code to develop OpenSource is morally right thing to do vs using it at private companies. It will attract more devs.


I have tried Arch btw

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