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Well the greater israel part and expansionist aims at least are quite clear and no conspiracy.

And he's asking some valid questions, why was israel allowed to be created and why are we supporting it's continued genocidal expansion.

Unfortunately he's wrong referring to the zionists as jews, they never really followed a religion, and the palestinians are the most real "jews" if we're talking in terms of genetics


You can’t simultaneously claim that Israel is ethnostate while also denying that they are Jews.


I used to believe this, but looking at the history of "israel", the genocides constantly committed in the middle east, etc. It's obvious that your logic would just be legitimizing the current might.

Would your logic apply to all the people of Gaza, would them resisting qualify as "undermine and deligitimize the norms and institutions that keep things reasonably okay"

Is genocide reasonably ok?


> Is genocide reasonably ok?

Of course not, and nothing I wrote leads to that conclusion.

Rejecting the notion that "everywhere at every level not only international politics... democracy and human rights are a joke" does not mean that things are non-horrible everywhere, at every level.

Having a way for the public to regularly and non-violently change leadership and lawmakers, having checks and balances between the holders of power, and certain norms we strive towards is the only thing that gives us a chance at preventing authoritarian, absolutist and arbitrary rule - within the constraints where these things have effect.

That they do not work everywhere and do not work perfectly is a sign that we continue to need them. Concluding the opposite, that they're entirely useless, is not only dangerously foolish and fatalistic, but also logically fallacious.

It's an argument often used by those who wish to undermine these norms and institutions. I don't automatically think that this is you, but it might be interesting to examine your line of reasoning and what makes you read things in my previous response that are not there.


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