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Others would say this is exactly what they voted for. Unfortunately it's all about perspective, and after a decade of passively consuming hn, it's obvious where the sites interest lies in terms of moderating content.


Let them say it.


Heh, "vi=hx" was exactly how I forced myself to spend a week in helix. Just go for it


It's the first editor since probably sublime text that I've genuinely enjoyed. Useful without any configuration, and very easy to get a productive environment.

There's a few rough edges that I'm trying to work through. I've been able to solve my "open in X" like key bindings. But I have yet to get things like "run test for current method". That's probably the biggest pain point I've had so far


Just to reiterate the point the person above you made, but in far simpler terms: independence can be far greater return on your personal well-being then maximizing gains. I'm willing to "lose" out on $50-$100k over the lifetime of my mortgage in exchange for never needing to make a payment on the house again


The gov and insurance company will still want their taste. I think my escrow portion is probably at least 1/5 of my mortgage payment.


There will be a court case where some bit of evidence is going to be similar to:

Ice Agents: "Is <name> here illegally?" AI prompt: "you're absolutely right!"


Not sure why they'd bother, since we're in the "random kidnappings are the MO" territory already, regardless of the citizenship status.


This. It’s more about using AI to do facial recognition or similar things to detect individuals en masse and flag them for the gulag.


If only. If ICE arrests and deports someone without due process, there is no court case.


But the AI vote will be used as a fig leaf so they don't even have to pretend to mete out justice. "AI said it, it must be true" will soon become a mantra (even though most people here know how wrong it can be and how often it actually is).

I hear that lazy LEOs now use AI to write police reports. Noice. And the AI can trivially show up for hearings.


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In the world we could assess this completely and with perfect accuracy, you're spot on that that'd be all that we need!

In the current world, though, due process exists because there are sometimes messy and fuzzy details that need evaluation. For instance, the date of an immigration court hearing might be delayed, or an applicant may be granted an extension. An immigrant may have received incorrect information and missed the proper steps through no fault of their own. If immigration enforcement skips due process but is working on even slightly outdated information, we're trashing the rights of people who may be following the process properly.

In the cases where an immigrant is clearly here illegally and there are no extenuating circumstances, deportation is already the thing that the current due-process does.

> Why would someone who has not committed a crime and is not accused of a crime need a court case?

Criminal court is only one type of use-case for the legal system, there are loads of other ones. The phrase "Civil court" refers to scenarios where no one has committed a crime and no one is accused of a crime, and these represent the majority of court cases.


When someone is allegedly an il_legal_ immigrant, they are present but allegedly violating immigration _laws_.

That is to say, such a person has been accused of a crime.

Due process in the constitution guarantees that individuals (including non-citizens facing deportation) have the opportunity to defend themselves in court against such accusations.


>When someone is allegedly an il_legal_ immigrant, t

When someone is allegedly a murderer, or a thief, or a vandal, or whatever... a trial is needed to determine guilt or innocence.

But when they arrest someone for those things, the preliminary process allows police to determine someone's identity. Their address, things of that nature. Their basic information. Basic information is all that is needed to determine whether or not someone is a citizen. There is no trial needed to determine citizenship.

>Due process in the constitution guarantees that individuals (including non-citizens facing deportation) have the opportunity to defend themselves in court

No, you attended public school and someone had you memorize "due process" in 3rd grade and you never were taught what it meant. It does not guarantee "a defense in court", because in this case there is no crime to defend against. No one's wanting to send them to prison. In the simplest terms, due process is the idea that the government must have a process for a particular legal proceeding, and that if someone must undergo that proceeding they get the same process everyone else does. If rich people were getting to skip out of the proceeding, or get a shortened one, but you had to go through the entire thing... it'd be a due process violation. Or alternatively if you wanted that proceeding and they were getting to skip it (say you had a full 30 day period to file, but they canceled your filing that same day) you'd have a due process violation.


> No, you attended public school and someone had you memorize "due process" in 3rd grade and you never were taught what it meant.

It seems like at your school they didn't mention habeas corpus or Magna Carta? Maybe it sounded too scary and foreign?


>It seems like at your school they didn't mention habeas corpus

Habeas doesn't apply... no one's trying to prosecute them for a crime. The juvenile confusion you're experiencing, where you believe deportation to be some sort of punishment for a crime, rather than merely the immediate remedy for someone who doesn't belong where they are, well it's bizarre.

If someone breaks into your home tonight, do you think the police can't remove them from the house until after the trial?


The writ of habeas corpus applies to detention, not prosecution. In fact this is why it exists. If it only applied after a crime was alleged, the government could hold people in extrajudicial detention forever so long as it never leveled criminal charges. The Bush administration did exactly that in Guantanamo and was slapped down by the Supreme Court.


>The writ of habeas corpus applies to detention, not prosecution.

It doesn't. If a cop stops you on the sidewalk for 10 minutes, that's being "detained", but they don't need to meet the burden of first going to a judge and presenting the evidence required in habeas. Which is all of the detention that occurs in these cases, after that it becomes deportation.

But, should habeas be required of deportation, then only proof required for that is "here is the documentation showing lack of citizenship".


While the importance of due process cannot be overstated, immigration violations are not generally crimes outside of a few specific areas. Removal proceedings are frequently not tied to any particularly crime, but merely unlawful presence, which is not a crime in its own right.


>When someone is allegedly an il_legal_ immigrant, they are present but allegedly violating immigration _laws_.

That's ok. They can be pardoned for that crime, I do not with to see them prosecuted or incarcerated. Sending them home is enough.

>That is to say, such a person has been accused of a crime.

Nope. Just accused of being a non-citizen, which if it turns out to be true, is de facto proof that they do not have the right to reside within the United States. Citizenship = right to live here. Not all rights are fundamental, voting and residence belong only to citizens.


> Why would someone who has not committed a crime and is not accused of a crime need a court case?

So if the executive decides they suspect you are an illegal alien, detains you, claims to have checked you are an illegal alien, and then expels you to some foreign country you have no right to challenge this at any point in the process?

Because if that’s what you think “due process” means, than the government never has any need for criminal process at all, it just needs to decide it suspects people of being illegal aliens instead of criminals, then it can imprison them indefinitely while it “checks” and expel them whenever it decides it tires or imprisoning them (perhaps to someplace it knows they will be killed or deprived of then nevessities of life), all without ever defending any of those acts as justified in court.


While you are correct in stating that an article III court generally is not required, the due process for immigrants, even those not present legally, is more complicated than just "check paperwork for legal status, act immediately". While in some cases expedited removal bypass the normal process, if a deportation is contested, due process still generally entails access to a hearing before an immigration judge (article II judge).


What do you think the process to check whether someone is an illegal immigrant is? It needs to leave a paper trail, and provide someone the opportunity to prove that they're a citizen or here legally.

Maybe a court case?


>It needs to leave a paper trail, and provide someone the opportunity to prove that they're a citizen or here legally.

If you would read the articles where people are griping about this case or that case, none of these immigrants have contested it with a "but I'm a citizen". I suspect this is because they know that won't fly. For the amazingly few cases where a citizen is temporarily detained, many of those cases are leftists trying to jam ICE up by not making the claim and hoping they overstep.

None of those that have made the news are cases where it goes to court because the detainee claims citizenship and ICE denies it.


That doesn't work in all cases. ESTA visa for example you give up the rights to due process if you overstay on that visa as part of the agreement to the visa.

Doesn't justify anything that ICE are currently doing though.


And what if someone claims you overstayed the visa, but you didn't? You still need a legal process to defend yourself from arbitrary accusations. Not having a process is not just morally wrong, it is also simply non-functional.


> And what if someone claims you overstayed the visa, but you didn't?

It's just a simple matter of checking the ESTA details online, and your entry stamp in your passport.

The ESTA visa states you waive your rights to a judge if you overstay.

Like I said, I am not condoning what ICE is doing.


Most of the people the admin wants to remove are not eligible for ESTA in the first place.


Ironically the same argument applies


I'm curious for your opinion on SEC v Jarkesy.


This is risible. "Sending them home" requires arrest and detention. Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the US Constitution grants people the right to contest their detention in court. So far, the administration hasn't formally suspended habeas corpus, despite what Stephen Miller may assert on TV.


They'd quickly cancel the contract with any supplier that doesn't give them the carte blanche and obfuscation of responsibility they want.

Just like other ML and big data LEO projects in the past, assume the use of AI is to greenlight what they already want to do and would like a fig leaf of justification for from a computer.


Yeah I agree, we should be holding the ruling class accountable for building generational wealth while average Americans can barely afford basics.


I had a recruiter reach out for a company doing Agentic SRE's due to my years of experience as an SRE. Second sentence was describing their mission as making the SRE role no longer necessary for companies. I know if you read between the lines that's the goal of many AI companies, but I was surprised how upfront they were.


There's no reason to hide it anymore. A CEO can go on CNBC and openly admit "Yes, we are excited about AI because if it works we won't have to pay so many middle class white collar workers anymore" and there are many average people who will ideologically defend it, as if they'll somehow be immune.


Any time you dare to mention AI is going to replace software devs here, loads of people come out of the woodwork saying there’s zero evidence and it’s all just the end of ZIRP or whatever.

Well I know for a fact that my company’s art spending is way down, and while we haven’t fired any software engineer we also haven’t added any. I’m very conservative about the AI hype but I can’t deny a 20%-30% boost at the moment so I’m not gonna hire a junior to do the boring 25% for me, who incidentally would be more annoying to steer the way I want. And it wouldn’t surprise me if a slightly more capable model actually makes us slash headcount or at least never need a junior again, same way artists are going. It’s also likely that solopreneurs won’t need to hire in the first place, or will be able to run very lean teams a lot more easily. Many of us will be replaced sooner or later, no idea when, but burying head in the sand doesn’t help much.


Software development jobs will be some of the first to go.

If you think about what we do, it's very manual. We're the assembly line workers of the office. We manualy, painstakingly, put the product together out of primitive pieces.


state of the industry - you don’t want to be the one being replaced, you want to be the one doing the replacing work :)


And that attitude is exactly why humanities is a subject every computer science student should take.


... That makes no sense. The value of an instrument isn't what makes a successful musician successful. The best musicians can make the cheapest sounding instrument sound amazing. What cheaper instruments offers is the opportunity for someone to even have a chance.


that is the point. It is easy to buy another 'toy'. It is tedious to practice using what you have. Thus many buy instrunents persuing sucess.

you need something to work with and despite great musicians sounding good on junk quality does sometimes sound better in ways you cannot compensate for. Also even if you can make cheap sound good it may be ergonomically harmful, or otherwise be a struggle. Thus it is sometimes justified to spend money on better.


But Behringer is mostly selling clones of famous (and expensive) synths.

You don’t need these expensive synths.

But md point is that you wouldn’t even need the clones of Behringer.


Those synths are famous and expensive because they're an important part of musical culture. E.g. if you want to make dance music it's likely you want 808- or 909-style drums. You could use samples or software simulations, but I think the hardware UI makes a difference. It's easier to follow the idioms of a genre when you're working in a similar way to the originators of the genre.


> It's easier to follow the idioms of a genre when you're working in a similar way to the originators of the genre.

This is essentially what I was after. Behringer (and others) are selling you the dream of reaching the echelons of those genre-defining originators.

But you won't. Having a Jupiter-8 clone or even an original will not make you another Giorgio Moroder or Nick Rhodes and having a Linn clone won't make you another Prince. Those synths and drum machines became famous because they existed at the right time in the right place (and under the fingers of the right people).

Behringer is selling nostalgia. Sure, you don't have to shell out the equivalent of a small car, but looking at what people are producing with these devices, for 99% of the customers, it will not bring them any nearer to their dreams.


> Those synths are famous and expensive because they're an important part of musical culture

Not only that, many synths are expensive at launch because of R&D and production costs (considering the small amount they produce), and impossible they're already part of "musical culture" as they just launched. TE and Elektron stuff is expensive at launch as just one counter-example.


But Teenage Engineering or Elektron are putting out original creative stuff. Even if it is built around vintage components like the SidStation (which is still one of the devices I really regret having sold)


There are still a select few subreddits where this is true as well. I genuinely miss 10 years ago getting into random shit like double edge razors, home brewing and woodworking and how supportive those communities were to get into. Some communities _do_ exist, but once they get past a certain size it becomes worthless


AskHistorians is still pretty great too.


Turns out gatekeeping works


Absolutely. Why wouldn't it? All the useful forums are "gatekept" in some fashion; AskHistorians just has an especially legible set of gates.


What was that weightlifting sub that worshiped "Brodin" and "The Church Of (Something? Maybe Iron?)"

I am not a weightlifter, but I'd occasionally visit that sub just because of how welcoming and supportive it was.


Oh man this brings back memories! I can’t remember the name either but they would say stuff like “whey-men” after these “prayers”. I think at some point it kind of devolved into the same jokes over and over as those subs tend to do so I drifted away, but it was fun for a while.




This was a very challenging article to read. Not because any of the concepts described, but for the way ideas are thrown around and organized. This looks like it was written by a set of llm agents that were instructed to write an article without a clear outlined, and then the author took what they felt were the best bits and hit publish.


(i'm the author) it was 100% human, i'm afraid to say. i was trying to summarize a lot of content in a concise article.


An erroneous summarization is:

  The Tiny Teams concept has resonated so strongly that it’s 
  pretty clear it is the next major transition of the org 
  chart as we go from level 2 to 3 AGI.
LLM's, nor any offerings based upon them, qualify as Artificial General Intelligence[0]. So to assert there is an existing "level 2" AGI, let alone a progression to "level 3" AGI, is nonsensical.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligenc...


Quoting wikipedia:

>Researchers generally hold that a system is required to do all of the following to be regarded as an AGI:[34]

> - reason, use strategy, solve puzzles, and make judgments under uncertainty > - represent knowledge, including common sense knowledge > - plan > - learn > - communicate in natural language > - if necessary, integrate these skills in completion of any given goal

Modern AI can do all of those.


Can it though? Everything I've seen and experienced is that LLMs are very good at making it appear to do those things, but the amount of times I've gotten stuck on "you're absolutely right!" When correcting the LLMs suggests that it can not reason by any means, nor does it learn. Otherwise, an LLM would never get stuck in a loop.


Of the reproduced attributes listed (reformatted and numbered):

  1 - reason, use strategy, solve puzzles, and make judgments under uncertainty 
  2 - represent knowledge, including common sense knowledge 
  3 - plan 
  4 - learn 
  5 - communicate in natural language 
  6 - if necessary, integrate these skills in completion of any given goal
Only 2 (partially) and 5 are applicable to LLM's, as they are statistical text (token) generator algorithms. Very useful ones, no doubt, but not ones which satisfy all of the above.


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> you are being obtuse, so i'll counter your obnoxious wikipedia link with my own and never reply to you again.

And you are being myopic, so I will counter your trite response with my own link which explains why LLM's are very useful for what they are, but in no way what the hype proclaims them to be, and never reply to you again either.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2501.09223v2


for those who wonder how, i oneshotted this in my not agi coding agent of choice https://github.com/swyxio/HNX/commit/d89ca7da401704cb15dcf9c...


AI is mostly trained on average stuff and the author is most widely known for throwing a bunch of stuff on the wall at different communities, they were never known for quality.

Also didn't care for the hiring section and how dystopian that feels, well unless you're independently wealthy I guess. People really want to recreate monarchy in the work place.


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