Could you expand? This looks similar to how it is done in Rust.

It looks very ugly to me, particularly the trying to reverse the original mistakes behind `int`, `list`, `dict` into `Int`, `List`, `Dict`.

If you want to fix that, you fix that first, then apply it to a subsequent patch like this one.

Additionally, I think Rust community, since its inception, embraced the goal of paying any up-front costs required for introspection.

Meanwhile, the Python community seems to be tearing between those who want syntactical beauty and one-way-to-do-it, and those who are running big production systems using IDEs like PyCharm and wanting to benefit them.

I'd prefer it if Python somehow warned people developing gigantic systems that maybe it's time to use a different language, instead of deforming Python to suit the people already running gigantic systems in a language unsuited to it.

Type hints are completely optional. Nobody is getting torn, and both use cases are equally valid.

see: "only one way to do it"

Well, I'm not going to stop using Python or anything. I just think they're bad and ugly and I'm sad that more and more I'll open the source code of some library I'm using and find those "hints" littered everywhere.

I would plea that people reconsider their inclusion, but it seems like that ship set sail.

This is probably one of the fairest criticisms I've read and, honestly, I didn't even notice that when reading the PEP. Thanks for your insight.

i had a similar opinion not long ago (as in, couple of months). then i was shown what mypy can do. it's really worth it.

Why would you want that?

I like strings to be interpolated by default, and that's one of the most annoying things about python.

Sure, but _why_? What benefits do you see that having over this? (Pre-pending an 'f' to a string)

It never is, and if it was every language would be a hodgepodge of things some people liked at one time.

Yeah we call that PHP (and I say that as someone who uses PHP all day and quite likes it).

I was actually thinking of PHP as I wrote that comment, I didn't want to call it out directly

Oh, that's where it comes from. As a non-PHP user, I thought it was a strange feature.

No, it's much much older than PHP. It's in PHP because it was in Perl (which is also why it's in Ruby). I think iit was in Perl because it was in sh. But I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it's older than that. Snobol maybe?

I'm not asking for them to make it default for everyone. I just want it for me. So at a file level or something.

Maybe, but it is a disappointing reason. I imagine OP was hoping for some insightful, more objective reason for this.

Sure, but "I like it" is actually a good reason. You can dissect I like it into maybe that I find it more productive, that I find strings easier to read when they're like that, or for other reasons, but it actually boils down to aesthetics: I like it :)

Maybe. Better late than never, though?

What does this even mean? "...who and I do mean this harshly, sounded like they didn't pass first year business school."

It's missing a comma and/or em dash.

"I could not get past your first level support, who -- and I do mean this harshly -- sounded like they didn't pass first year business school."

I understand the sentence. What I don't understand is why it is necessary for a support agent to have completed first year business school and why this is an insult (which I take as the intent).

My guess is that they were talking to some kind of business support (as opposed to technical support), and it's a way of saying "they didn't know what they were talking about", when the reality was probably "I want to do something that their company doesn't want to support, and I'm upset that they didn't buy my argument".

They mentioned being a "case that falls outside [Stripe's] remit", and that Stripe didn't "give them the benefit of the doubt".

Ah, that wasn't clear and punctuation was the most glaring issue with the sentence. Nevermind!

I think you may have missed the sarcasm in the parent post.

I'm confused by your comment. The article mentions an entirely different person (now deceased) with that name (Peter Doige) and his sister has supported the whereabouts (high school, prison, etc). Are you suggesting that the painting is (a) authentic Peter Doig, but he is lying about it, or (b) that it is a bad forgery?

I'm suggesting it is the wrong person. With the suggestion that due to the amount of money involved there is motivation to pass off artwork as Doig's when it is not.

People have a history of scamming for a personal profit. Throwing some artist's name on a painting when their paintings are worth millions, claiming they painted it decades ago, and trying to sell it for millions isn't too far-fetched of a scam. Maybe the artist doesn't remember 40 years ago and just says "Yeah, sure, whatever. I painted that 40 years ago." and you just made yourself $8,000,000 for paying someone down the street $80 for a painting.

Your original comment seems very much to suggest anything but that you believe it is the wrong person. That is the source of my confusion and I think possibly the others that replied.

>> Use gmail or Google Apps. Things just work. Cede control to Google.

Google is not without its problems. Just now on HN, in fact: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12008365

From the article:

>> It’s possible that some data is backed up at local bases where investigations originated.

That's why BIG SERIAL exists. :-)

I think another valuable point to consider that may actually may understate popularity of those younger than 25 is that this is only looking at phone calls. I'm not under 25 anymore, but I think they generally use their phones for texting and messaging more than calls.