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Hi, curious about the "not perfect" part (I work at Wire) - what stuff would be prio for you to improve?


Hi! Okay sure, I will tell you! I am rooting for you guys.

1. Presence/active device detection. Often I am sitting right at my computer actively chatting with somebody, and yet my phone sitting on the desk right next to it is blowing up with notifications of the same messages I am replying to.

2. Too many features. I am constantly accidentally activating features like snapchat-style disappearing messages and weird alien voice effects. Cool if you have them enabled by default but I would like settings to turn OFF the many features that I literally never use (particularly on mobile where there are both small screens and more features, hence more icons).

3. 10-device limit. I know it sounds crazy but I have 2 phones and a few tablets and computers at work and home and I often have to delete a device to use the one I am at now. (20 devices would work for me; even 15 probably would.)

4. Initial log in / start up performance. I know it's hard with the huge photos and encryption. But sometimes i get a notification on my watch that my wife just said XXXXX and I want to respond RIGHT NOW on my computer. But it takes like 8 seconds on an iMac Pro to get to the active/ready state after booting the app. (I tend to just leave it open for this reason, but sometimes have to reboot or whatever and it is not). I would prefer it started up and let me send IMMEDIATELY even if I had to wait for it to load/decrypt the chat histories.

Those are the main ones off the top of my head. It is a great product, though, and I appreciate your efforts!


wire.com/download for the free/personal use downloadables


We have the beginnings of an API - Wire.com/developer


Crypto - Wire’s Proteus is an independent implementation of Axolotl that was later renamed to Signal Protocol. There’s also an external audit available - info and links from Wire.com/privacy.

As to business model, Wire is VC funded by Iconical.com /Janus Friis (co-founder of Skype) and announced the first paid product in July - wire.com/teams.

Full disclosure: I work at Wire.


It’s a requirement many organizations have - government institutions are a good example. Some might want to not leak any data to the outside world, run it only for internal use, etc.


If security is of importance then try wire.com (I'm part of the team so biased).


One of the details we haven't quite settled on yet. Safe to assume that once all of the server code is open then at first you'd need to roll your own apps pointing to the right server.

Since a lot of the interest for self hosting comes from companies then a nicely packaged version is somewhere in the future.


Care to name one?


Silent Phone (disclosure: I am an employee)


If you're into rust then their crypto is all in Rust https://github.com/wireapp/proteus


The post states that the app level review is coming. As a comparison afaik Signal only has protocol review available, no implementation review.

Edit: typo


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