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The global virus pandemic that is responsible for a total lockdown and a multitude of deaths and spread immediately via global transportation system wasn't enough for you?


Worse, it's mutating! It's just like most zombie movie plots.

None of those predicted the hoarding of toilet paper though.


Maybe we're just hedging our bets for multiple zombie movies?


They initiate a cash transfer via ACH, which takes a few days (absurd). In the meantime they honor the amount you decided to withdraw. It's a bookie floating a new gambler.

I opened an account two days ago to buy one share of GME for fun, then they blocked my ability to, but I still can't take my money out -- despite my bank notifying me that it's been withdrawn. This is because they probably process all the ACH records in a nightly job on weekdays. It'll be Monday before the money can begin its 3 day trip back to my bank.

So much of this process is unnecessary but what are you going to do? They (the entrenched financial system) have you by the throat.


> Imagine paying $1-3 per month for FB or Twitter.

Imagine paying $1-3 per month for FB or Twitter.


I'm sure they would figure out a way to roll it into your phone bill.

I think it would be a good thing. This sounds harsh but honestly most of the the types of people that are unwilling to pay $1-3 per month for the service are probably the types that don't make the service a better social network.

It would also hopefully disincentivize government agencies and maybe even politicians from using it as a channel of communications since it's more along the lines of a traditional business arrangement and not a "free, TV-like" service.


I lived in NYC for 11 years and the only things I miss are my friends and Fresh Direct.


I agree with you. I think there is something wrong with the way we are reacting to these people and it's ratcheting up every day. I personally think they are deplorable and retrograde and, above all, willfully ignorant. But there is something wrong with this entire system and the path forward feels as untenable as the path we've been on.

There has to be a detente, but I would never suggest that amongst my orbit of people. The language of the moment is so loaded, I'd probably be called a bootlicker. At the same time I had friends calling for the gunning down of these people as they overran the Capitol.

It's very hard to reconcile all of this turmoil.


I agree. I'm left leaning and if I read Reddit I see the same hateful arguments that people on the other side of the political spectrum use. The words may differ but the arguments are the same.


You have two sides in ideological conflict that are fundamentally unwilling to let the other deescalate.

With neither being allowed to back down, either conflict or subjugation at a national scale are inevitable.

I feel that we have a very short window left to rectify this sentiment lest we be in a completely failed state. Sadly becaue of COVID, it's very difficult to move countries at the moment. I do not plan on sticking around to see what happens though.


Had we known each other, I'd have been one of those friends who might have said "gun them all down".

But ... to whatever extent I really meant that (and I really don't know what that extent is, though I do know that the sight of the confederate flag inside the US Capitol made my blood boil) ... I didn't do that. I didn't order anyone to do that. I didn't encourage anyone to do that. I didn't even go on social media and suggest it.

Meanwhile, while I was feeling whatever I was feeling, two pipe bombs were carried into the Capitol building. Windows were smashed, offices ramsacked, and there may (just may for now) have been much more serious intent on the part of some of those who got in (reports about plans to abduct various members of congress, not sufficiently confirmed yet).

So please, let's stop with the whataboutisms and the both-sides-do-it nonsense. Yes, there's blame for most things in this country to be distributed across both political parties. But equating some of our angry, privately voiced feelings about a violent attack on the US Capitol with ... a violent attack on the US Capitol ... just seems nonsensical to me.


Two clarifications without further comment.

The pipe bombs were left at the RNC and DNC headquarters, not inside the capitol building.

I have not heard any reports of plans to abduct members of Congress being audibly discussed during the riot. Someone in paramilitary gear with a handful of heavy-duty zip ties was photographed in the senate chamber though, and there have been reports of the mob chanting “hang pence.” A gallows was erected outside the building.


I had an initial reaction along the lines of "Why didn't they use more force"(to put it mildly), but after the initial reaction and reflecting on it more I believe the officers on the scene did admirably given the circumstances and the overwhelming numbers they were dealing with.

We try to do things different in the west; we don't just massacre protesters or even rioters if we can help it. That's always how it goes, but that is how we try to do it, isn't it? The only thing that mattered, and the officers primary mission, was securing the members of congress and the VP. After that it was human life.


There is no whataboutism coming from me. You are welcome to point out where I've advocated for such a thing.

For the last four years there has been a constant refrain that we need "adults in the room". Right now more than ever, we do. For some people the chickens are coming home to roost and I'm just saying -- we -- and by "we" I mean reasonable people -- should avoid our worst tendencies in this moment, even privately.


There are adults in the room. I'm not sure why you can't see that.

Sure, they may be adults who are also bought and paid for by powerful and rich interests, but the adults are here and have been all along.


> people literally overthrowing the democratically elected government of the US.

The hysterics in this thread are pretty rich.


I don't know how many people need to storm the capitol under the instructions of the loser of a recent election before you stop thinking the people commenting on it are "hysterical".


The protesters left peacefully after a few hours. The senate isn't holy ground, nor are the people inside it divine. They work for us, after all.

All things considered the events left me pretty unscathed.


incompetence does not overwrite intent. They were gathered there and committed political violence for a specific reason - to halt the peaceful transfer of power to the next administration.

And they left after a lockdown was already in-force and they were removed from the premises by force.


What was the intent? Do you know or are you assuming?

I think if their goal was to actually take control of the capitol things would have gone much differently. I find it hard to believe this was anything but a protest.


It left him unscathed though, so it’s fine.


4 people died.


Five, actually. Officer Brian Sicknick died as a result of wounds suffered during the conflict [1]. Details beyond that are still hard to find. This after Giuliani demanded "trial by combat" from the gathered mob. Hard to believe he will face justice though, given that Trump plans to pardon everybody and their mother.

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/08/capito...


Thanks I didn’t hear about that


An unarmed protester was gunned down by police.


And yet, the mob continued to attack for another hour or two, while the DoD refused to send troops to help out.


I have to wonder if Trump intended the DOD to send in troops and use those troops to shut down the certification, and they refused.


Out of the total number of demonstrators, how many was that?


> I don't know how many people need to storm the capitol under the instructions of the loser of a recent election

Not OP, but I will stop thinking people are hysterical if they can provide a single shred of evidence that the people who stormed congress were "under the instructions of [Trump]". A tweet, a video, anything that proves the storming of congress was a pre-meditated move by Trump to stop the electoral count.

Saying "oh, well Trump didn't come out and say it, but he chose dog-whistle terms that activated his sleeper agents" isn't going to cut it.

Also the part that is rich is the implication that a rag tag handful of protestors have the ability to overthrow the government just because they broke into a building for a few hours.


He consistently encourages violence and when his followers do something bad he usually refuses to say it was bad. So sure he only specifically said to march on the capitol while the election was being stolen inside, but his response to the storming was not "this was bad, go home" but "we love you, go home".

The man knows how to guide a crowd. He has responsibility here.


There were 2-3 guys with pistols between congress and the mob. It only would have taken a minimally organized armed group, or even one person with an AR-15 to inflict casualties on congress and/or take it hostage.


From Wikipedia (I know...):

> Many scholars consider a coup d'état successful when the usurpers seize and hold power for at least seven days.

They didn't seize and hold power for any time whatsoever. They had no plan. They had no organization. They did not execute a plot in any way. They were rioters. There was nothing close to what could be constituted as overthrowing of the government.


Not interested in a pedantic argument. The initial comment implied an overreaction to this incident. The president incited a mob to attack Congress. The mob was beyond anyone's control for several hours and there very easily could have been bloodshed. The president declined to condemn the mob (or did so with obvious winks and nods).

What am I missing? Are you suggesting there was no reason for alarm?


I'm saying that the phrase "people literally overthrowing the democratically elected government of the US." is hysterics. That is not what happened.

Also there was bloodshed.

I don't care about what this president does because he's a repulsive child.

Is there reason for alarm? Sure. The Capitol Police were negligent in planning and performing their duties. There was not a sufficient lockdown and security protocol for the physical items. Probably all sorts of other things. These people committed felonies and should be punished.

But this was not a revolution. Our government was not overthrown.


Have you watched the videos of the occupation of the Capitol on Wednesday? The rioters who broke in were chanting things like "Fight for Trump!" and "Find Mike Pence!" presumably to kill him. This of course shortly after Trump himself had tweeted that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution" while he surely knew that rioters had broken into the building. How the f*** can you say it's hysterical to call that an attempted violent overthrow of the government?


This is a grouchy reply. The OP obviously isn't trying to get Tekken running on a Peloton.

You can imagine "games" in this sense being competitions played out via the bike, so time trials, race tournaments, etc. Compete with your friends (or others) to get through a race comparable to Tour de France stages -- something like that. Aside from survival, there is no greater motivator for pushing oneself physically than competition. Games facilitate that.


Someone should do Doom, though.


> Aside from survival, there is no greater motivator for pushing oneself physically than competition

If you're a competitive person. Not everybody derives motivation from competition.


but there is a segment of the population that does, and thus a market.


> Aside from survival, there is no greater motivator for pushing oneself physically than competition.

That depends.

If you're trying to develop a habit of regular exercise for your health (intrinsic motivation), competition (extrinsic motivation) is just as likely to be harmful to your goal.

In my personal case, removing the competitive element was extremely helpful for me to start doing regular exercise for its own sake.


No. They are taking this very slowly because it is a very serious issue. The military doesn't just start rushing into something like this.

I feel like I'm going crazy listening to people make calls for the MILITARY to get involved.


This is a great example of gaslighting. The speaker of the house calls for national guard deployment while rioters are literally in the House chamber. Yet we're the crazy ones for suggesting that they get involved? This is what the National Guard does, it's not begging for a military coup.


The history of any military interceding in election issues is not a good one. There are police for this and this is incident is developing. Give it time before you call in the guns. I'm not gaslighting anyone -- I'm saying this needs to be handled delicately.


Where have you been this election? There were National Guard stationed outside my state's capitol building for days while votes were being counted.


Sure, with a clear mission planned and dictated by the state you were in. They didn't just send in the troops right away in reaction to an ongoing situation that also happens to be the certification of the election of the president.


In any case, it looks like you got what you wanted.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/pentagon-has-not-approved-re...


This has been talked about on social media for weeks. People have been planning on doing this shit for a while now. Maybe, I don't know, the government could have prepared better? It's not "oh my god this protest came out of nowhere, what's going on".

When there was a small protest for BLM in my city, there were almost more cops than protestors, and all the buildings had been boarded up. You'd think DC would have a bit more resources than my city.

This was allowed to happen. If they didn't want the Capitol to be broken into, it wouldn't have been.


The history of violent mobs interceding in election issues is not a good one! If the incident is allowed to develop any further, we'll end up in a situation with competing claims of legitimacy and the military will have to intervene anyway.


By all accounts the people in power were committed to certifying the election. We've got no reason to think they have changed their minds on this. The police were underprepared and overwhelmed by protesters (terrorist, coupists, whatever), they also chose not to fire on these protesters, so this happened. Let the police get it under control, let the election get certified (whenever and where that happens), and then we can begin to sort this mess out. That process may yet involve the National Guard, but their role and objective should be crystal clear.


Why should we be confident that the police will be able to get it under control?


The military got involved in Ferguson lol.


Ferguson did not involve the transfer of power of the executive branch of the USA.


So it's acceptable to police people protesting police violence but not those who are preventing the operation of our government? Really? What the fuck are "...enemies foreign and domestic." If not people disruption our democratic processes?


No it's not acceptable. But let the police get the situation under control. Why bring in the military?


Perhaps so. How soon, though? Not in the first half hour...


They were deployed during ferguston and portland.


The national guard was deployed at BLM protestors during Trumps bible photoshoot.


Do you want this to escalate? This would be a bad time to start making martyrs out of these people.


How about before it turns into an actual coup, streaming live globally?

Either put up a fight or give up on democracy.


Just want to say that this is a wild idea and I really like it. I don't know how viable it is but it's definitely interesting.


Thanks. Believe me, I share the uncertainty so I regularly have to hold myself back from getting too excited about it. It is really fun exploring the tech in the meantime though.


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